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- 04/22/17--18:12: _Simple Schmiple
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- 04/18/17--08:22: Can Faith Be Proven?
- 04/19/17--01:16: Restored Church of God Members Will Glow Radioactively
- 04/19/17--01:30: The Meat of the Gospel: Salvation by Carnivory
- 04/19/17--19:02: Is Doubt and Faith Compatible?
- 04/20/17--18:20: Searching the Scriptures Bible Quiz
- 04/21/17--08:13: Long lost COG members discovered in Indonesia
- 04/21/17--13:09: Dear Mr. Who ever are you...
- 04/21/17--22:25: Latest Issue of The Journal: News of the Churches of God is out
- 04/22/17--13:19: You Worship In Vain If You Do Not Follow HWA's Teachings
- 04/22/17--13:26: God's only chosen mouthpiece is a "reverse engineer"
- 04/22/17--18:12: Simple Schmiple
- 04/23/17--18:21: Truly Sad Preaching by A False COG "leader"
- 04/23/17--18:48: Tribulation to begin in January 2019
- 04/24/17--22:27: Restored Church of God Members Will Be Worshipped
- 04/25/17--11:12: Relatively few will pay much attention to (ME) the end time Elijah
- 04/26/17--13:39: LCG: Gerald Weston "dismayed" that some LCG members are "lukewarm"
- 04/26/17--13:55: Rod McNair: LCG Members Beware!
Awhile back Apostle Pack gave it his best shot at proving God's existence with his bombastic and self assured outdated, badly restated, greatly glitterated , memorized but not studied, copied and plagarized from creationist lit long ago negated but nicely mistated. His presentation was obliterated by Aron Ra leaving anyone with an interest in knowing if Dave knows what he is taking about, which he doesn't.
Who knew what God said at creation? Who wrote down or knew the exact conversation Abraham had with Isaac alone before almost sacrificing him? Who knew the words of Jesus, alone in the Garden with sleeping disciples or what Pilate's wife told him in private? Who wrote down or knew the exact words of the long winded speeches of Stephen or of Jesus at the last Passover of which the other Gospels knew nothing? Are these not what some author imagined they would say so he said they said it for effect? It was a common writing style of the day.
Superfantabulous Dave Pack has announced that if all of the RCG members "stay on fire" by being filled with Dave's messages, that they will glow radioactively when his fake "jesus" returns.
Here’s why. If you can stay on fire for the Work before he gets here—avoid getting drunk, or unaware, or sleepy, before he gets here—after he gets here, you’ll glow radioactive, you’ll be so on fire. The test is whether you can stay awake before he gets here; whether you can be accounted worthy during the easy times, like right now. Once they show up, everybody is going to sit bolt upright, come forward on their seat, eyes bugging—all of us. The whole world will, but before he comes, particularly if we are warning about him, it’s going to be tough. The first thing I wanted to say here, is just believe Christ. Apart from Him saying, “Fear not,” believe Him when He says your goal is to be deemed worthy to escape before anything here happens.
Dear Brethren and Friends, Powerful forces of evil are facing our youth more than in any time in modern history! I want to address this problem as strongly and openly as I can. I hope that I will offend none of you by being somewhat plain in describing various situations. The world—and its media—certainly describes these things in detail. So we should not be “embarrassed” about discussing this reality that is being propagated in our society and which our young people understand far too well—whether some of us older people grasp this or not. Thousands of you older brethren are parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts who have a sincere interest in helping the youth in God’s Church. So all of us have a responsibility to help our young people understand what is happening to them before it is too late! For many of them will be “lost” to the Church and to the way of God unless we take action!Meredith wants all LCG members to read The Marketing of Evil by David Kupelian. Apparently this is the new "go to" book for the LCG. The book was heavily promoted on WorldNetDaily, an ultra conservative web site that so many COG's look to for their "news." The church has had a tradition of choosing "worldly" books that fit their end times deterioration of society world view and this one really fits the bill.
Frankly, brethren, I hope many of you will purchase and study this book I have recommended: The Marketing of Evil. It can be a guide to you in the sense that it will help you understand the real background of this whole perverted movement, which Satan has spawned to propagandize and deceive our young people in many important areas of life. For many of them have not had the experience to grasp the suffering that is often caused by these perverted behaviors.It is always the outside world that is attacking the church. Never once does it chose to look inwardly at the deep seated sins that occupy the leadership of the church. LCG proudly includes in its history how a known pedophile from WCG Pasadena was instrumental in starting the Global Church of God who later helped bankrupt it and then helped start the Living Church of God. Imperial Schools students from Pasadena have one horror story after another about trips to Camp River Glen with this guy. Nor does LCG worry too much about some in its ministry that have had rampant sexual problems while they were in WCG where they were well know for their various peccadillo's.
The church has never looked inwardly at its own sins, but has always looked outwardly to find the closest scapegoat. Yet it claims to be the following:
Only God’s Church can be a true bulwark against this absolute “rubbish,” which is being palmed off as Truth!...or so Meredith claims.
Sadly, this has never been the case, regardless of which COG incarnation is being discussed. the church has never been a bulwark of anything. Just look at the scores of delusional self-appointed narcissistic COG leaders running various COG's today. None of them are "bulwark's of truth or of God's word. The church has promoted so much rubbish over the decades and has ruined so many lives that it can never be a true "bulwark" against anything! It cannot be trusted to dispense "truth."
Meredith goes on to rail against transgenders, gays, and other evils that have ruined the minds of LCG youth. He then moves directly into these very youth being tortured and killed by the upcoming "beast power" because many of them will not make it to Petra. Young people of LCG and the world are being set up to suffer through he tribulation, IF they even live through it. Why is it that life is always so pleasant in Meredith's mind...?
Our young people need to be actively guided to genuinely understand this! For our present society—in which they will have to suffer far more than many of us who are older, if they live right on through the Great Tribulation—is headed straight back to Sodom and Gomorrah and the horrifying things pictured directly in the book of Revelation. God describes the society soon to come, when men will so misunderstand and “despise” the true God that they will even fight Christ at His Second Coming!The Living Church of God has been fighting God ever since its inception. It refuses to accept anything that Jesus tried to get across to people. It rejects the new covenant, a standard that most Christians understand but not those in COG leadership positions.
Meredith ends with this:
Get ready for LCG to start throwing its youth to the curbside as parents and church members accuse them of all kinds of satanic things. Will we soon see LCG practicing the same filthy teaching that Philadelphia Church of God does towards its youth?If all of us who are adult Christians genuinely “reach out” to our young people—with love and understanding, yet with firm conviction, as well—perhaps they can be helped to understand, and we can thus save their lives from the awful suffering that is going to come from those who are cut off from God.So I ask all of you, in Jesus’ name, to “get involved” in helping and caring for the well-being of our young people. Take time to teach your children, your grandchildren, your nieces, nephews and other young people you know and love, to understand before it is too late! Using the Bible, using this outstanding book I have mentioned—The Marketing of Evil—and using my article on “Satan’s Alternative Universe” and other “tools” which this Work gives you over and over, you can help if you will stir yourselves to take action. May God help all of us to strengthen our youth at home, through the Church, through our youth programs and in every way we can before it is too late!
The most healthy thing the youth of the LCG could do for their spiritual and emotional life is to LEAVE the LCG as soon as they possibly can.
Is there room for a person of faith to have doubt in their life about God and their spiritual journey, particularly in the Church of God? Because the church dealt in absolutes and had to have the answer to everything, there was not much room for doubt to find fertile ground to play around in. Questioning and inquisitiveness were frowned upon. To do so was to question the leadership of the church, Herbert Armstrong, the ministry, the Bible and ultimately God. To try and solve that "problem" the church had hundreds of books, booklets, articles, and videos explaining everything imaginable. Because the church was God's specially appointed tool of "truth" it could NOT be questioned. To do so was sin.
As children we were encouraged to be inquisitive and questioning, but as adults we are told to stop doing that. As a person of faith in the church one must never doubt or be inquisitive, at least in the words of "wisdom" of the leadership. The problem this creates is that with certainty there is no room for faith to flourish.
At the church I attend I work with new members seeking to join. We meet for 6 weeks two hours a week listing to stories of staff telling their journey's of faith and doubt. Then we break into small groups were we share our personal stories. Many have come from abusive churches and are seeking a place of refugee. The interesting thing with so many, including myself, is that in spite of all the spiritual abuse and sometimes physical abuse, there is something that keeps drawing them and myself back to the church.
Here are some screen shots of the meeting we had last week that centered on faith and doubt. Things like this would NEVER have been encouraged in the Worldwide Church of God, nor will it be in any COG today.
“Take faith, for example. For many people in our world, the opposite of faith is doubt. The goal, then, within this understanding, is to eliminate doubt. But faith and doubt aren't opposites. Doubt is often a sign that your faith has a pulse, that it's alive and well and exploring and searching. Faith and doubt aren't opposites, they are, it turns out, excellent dance partners.”
― Rob Bell,
Rod Meredith wrote his last "Passover" letter to his flock recently. He writes that Jesus told everyone that were his followers to wash one another feet, lay down our lives for one another as our ENTIRE way of life, and to take up his cross and carry it proudly.
Then he has to pull his usual "blame the brethren" shtick. Those lazy LCG members just never quit get it and never fully contribute to "...building the work of God on earth today."
Even most true Christians spend far too much energy trying to “find” their lives rather than consciously “losing” their lives in order to serve God and genuinely serve their fellow human beings. We will try to find excuses for doing what we want to do. We will use our time and energy in ways that do notcontribute to building others spiritually or to building the Work of God on earth today. We will often waste one of the most precious commodities God has given us—time. We must not waste this precious commodity, but rather try to make every day of our life really “count for something” in serving others and helping others grow toward the fullness and the stature of Christ. In that way, we help ourselves at the same time to achieve the same goal.The ones that seem to be constantly trying to find their lives in the church seem to be COG members and those currently being tormented by legalism. A follower of Christ, who understands the New Covenant knows that they have been "found." There is no struggle or time spent on "woe is me, I am never going to make it" conversations in their minds. Since the church refuses to acknowledge Jesus, it is no wonder Meredith feels this is a constant problem. He has been struggling all of his life to find the Jesus he refuses to follow.
He then says the following, which seems to be swipe at some in the LCG ministry. They too, never quit get it right, which has been painfully obvious to thousands of members who've suffered and are currently suffering under some of the tyrants. It is ironic that Meredith states that some leaders "exalt themselves at the expense of others," consider this has been the modus operandi of Meredith for decades. Look at the trail of destruction and ruined lives that have been left tin his wake over the decades. His stint as director of the field ministry while in WCG was appalling at the amount of abuse he dished out. And who can forget his role in the "man power papers!"
Often, without fully realizing it, many of us try to become “leaders” by exalting the self at the expense of others. After describing how the rulers of the Gentiles did this, Jesus said, “Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave—just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:26–28).When has Rod Meredith EVER been a servant of the brethren? He has been waited upon, hand and foot, for decades by myriads of church members and employees. He has lived a life of privilege in the church ever since his days in Pasadena.
He also writes:
The religious leaders of Jesus’ day were often “competing” with one another and saving for themselves the “best” of everything along the way. However, Jesus Christ commanded: “But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted” (Matthew 23:11–12).This sounds exactly like every single COG leader currently running a splinter group today. Ever single one of the men are "competing" with each other to see who can draw in the most members, raise the most money, or do the most amazing end time work ever. Just look at Flurry, Pack, Kubik and our resident pissant Thiel; every single one of them have self-appointed themselves as God's mouthpiece and will do all they can to draw in other COG members to their groups in order to use their tithe money of their own self-indulgent purposes.
Then Meredith makes another weird command for his members to follow. They are to continually abase themselves.
The above verses are genuinely powerful if we are willing to fully understand them. We must always try to abase the self and do all we can to serve other human beings, as Christ Himself did when He was “made flesh” (John 1:14). Then, and only then, will we be truly “exalted” by God Himself.
It is no wonder LCG members have to continually try and find themselves when they are taught to belittle themselves! "You low life, unworthy, dirty worms, who are clothed in filthy rags, are never good enough for God." That is the message Rod Meredith has preached for decades. What more could we expect form a man who does not know Jesus.
Meredith then goes on to claim that the LCG has one of the most HUMBLE ministries that the COG has ever seen in 67 years! Take that Bob Thiel!
Dear brethren and friends, I hope every one of you can begin to learn this lesson, as we reflect on the Passover and on the entire purpose of God to make us in His image! We have tried to build this attitude within the ministry and leadership of God’s Church as a whole in the Living Church of God. Many of you brethren realize this. In our past association, we had the so-called “super deacons” who would push people around. We would often have ministers who would take care of the self and not try to genuinely help and give and serve their brethren with every fiber of their being. Now, near the end of my life, I am grateful to God to report that we have—in my opinion—one of the most solid, dedicated and humble ministries that I have experienced in 67 years in God’s Church.The most solid, dedicated and humble splinter group of the mother church ever! Ha Ha Ha! These same men making up the ministry of the LCG are the very same men who were abusive in the Worldwide Church of God. Rod Meredith. Richard Ames, and Gerald Weston do not have a humble bone in their bodies! LCG members who comment here routinely write about the abuses of these three men, in addition to scores of other LCG ministers, including Meredith's own children! Humility has NEVER been an attribute of the Church of God since Herbert Armstrong threw his hissy-fit and apostatized from the Church of God in Oregon.
Meredith then goes on to praise three of LCG's most humble men, Richard Ames, Douglas Winnail, Dexter Wakefield, and Rod McNair. Rod McNair??????? Seriously?????
According to Meredith, Rod McNair has done the following:
He has built one of the finest families in the entire Work of God. He sets a superb example in all these ways, and at the same time has attained a spirit of humility, sacrifice and service rather than letting any of this go to his head.This is the same pig that said that the elderly are possessed by demons and that LCG members should not work in nursing homes. This is the same man who lied about the Scarbouroughs. Humble my ass! Sacrificial? ROTFLMAO! Since when has McNair sacrificed anything? He is one of the pampered elite that thinks he deserves everything, especially RESPECT!
Meredith ends with this:
But if we can keep the attitude of humility and servant leadership—if we can keep the “foot-washing attitude” constantly before us and follow Christ in that way—He will continue to lead and empower this Work in a remarkable way. Then, we can all definitely look forward to Jesus’ words: “Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities” (Luke 19:17). So whether we are over “ten cities,” ten nations, or perhaps even ten galaxies, we will be rewarded forever if we learn the lessons of Passover and the foot washing. So, let us learn to genuinely humble ourselvesand work as a “team” under Jesus Christ to do His Work with love and humility and cooperation until the end of our human lives.This is never going to happen. Within a year of Meredith's death the Living Church of God will have major problems. Humility will never be allowed to surface. The lowly church members will never have their feet washed by the elite. Abuses will continue. Lives will be destroyed and lives will be lost, all because they STILL refuse to follow that most inconvenient dude.
You can read this appalling mess of a message here: Editorial - The "Foot Washing" Way of Life
An amazing discovery was uncovered in 2003 when long lost relatives of Bob Thiel and Dave Pack were discovered in Indonesia. These were the original COG members who set in motion the amazing fact that after several millennia, 3,000 - 4,000 specially chosen humans out of billions would exist in the 21st century as the only chosen of God. These future kings, priests and world rulers are the end product of all human evolution. It is hard to imagine that the ultimate purpose of creation was so Thiel and Pack could be the Chosen Ones. After all, dreams have proven it all, or so we are told.
These ancient dwarfs are the precursor to the theological dwarfs of Pack and Thiel.
ANCIENT “hobbits” recently discovered in Indonesia were not an early form of modern human but an entirely different species, scientists have found.
Experts initially believed the Homo Floresiensis – or Flores man – were just a shrunken variety of early humans.
But a study by The Australian National University (ANU) found the race were most likely a different species altogether.
Researchers think they were related to a sister species of Homo habilis – one of the earliest known ancestors of modern mankind which lived in Africa 1.75 million years ago.
Read about this fascinating discovery here: Flores Man ‘hobbits’ found in Indonesia
From a reader:
Dear Mr. Who ever are you, reading you articles about Churches of God I believe that you not OK on you mind.
you are not unset criticizer of Mr Armstrong and other church leaders and than you should stop writing stupid articles
Because you showing you self how stupid you are. First of all you should know the people your self not making story about them. Mr
Armstrong was first person in about 2000 year that preached for first time gospel to the world if you know what gospel are. Why don't you
Write something about Jehovah Witnesses or other groups who do not preach right gospel.
OK, I agree there was falls ministers in Worldwide Church of God otherwise church will not collapse after Mr Armstrong died. And even to
Day there are many wrong man among us, but God will be judge not you or me.
It also has its usual ads. Is it me or are the people that pay for those ads getting crazier by the day?
The Kitchen clan gets more theological bankrupt every day. These guys bow at the feet of Herbert Armstrong's statue every day in worshipful adoration.
If we do not keep the True Gospel message, the message sent by God the Father who sent it through His Son, Jesus Christ, who in turn sent it through His Apostles, in our time Apostle(Herbert W Armstrong), if we do NOT keep that message in our mind, as a memory, in remembrance, remembering it continually, then we believed in VAIN. And if we believed in VAIN, are we then CONVERTED? BELIEVING is a VITAL PART of Conversion! This is Jesus Christ saying it, read those verses AGAIN.So the you have it. If you do not believe in Herb and his word you are worshipping in vain. Jesus be damned, Herb's the man!
Jesus Christ through the Apostle Paul says we are "being SAVED", that is, IF... IF WE keep in MEMORY that TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE preached by the APOSTLE! If we don't we have believed in vain. Just like what Christ said in Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Your focus MUST be upon Herb. Any failure to follow ANYTHING Herb said is an immediate road trip to Petra where you will have to live with Bob Thiel and listen to him preach for 3 1/2 years.
If you don't keep your focus on God and His Son and the Apostle sent, if we don't keep to what God has given us via the Apostle, we only do it BECAUSE men commanded it. See, you'll only see the man. And many today only see the man, which is why many turn against God and God's Truth and Gospel to ANOTHER gospel via someone else, to whom they have chosen. Not God's Chosen. We must CATCH THE VISION, keeping the right FOCUS on things as God sees it!We now have 700 different versions of Herb's "truth."
Why not OBEY GOD, and HOLD FAST to what we were given through the Apostle.All Herb, all the time.
Dave Pack says he was born to fulfill the roll of being a "reverse engineer" who has to look backwards at HWA's and Habakuk's prophecies.
So my job, because I don’t have the vision…I do have the plain words that this obedient prophet wrote down…My job is to reverse engineer this as best I can and give you a word picture that horrifies you and me in the way God wanted it, so that all of YOU, who read it—because you can’t see it, I can’t really give you a photograph—but that all of you will run when you read it. That’s my task, and we will not be done until today is done, and if it drifts into next week and blends in with some things I cover next week, well then, so be it.
My goal is to…is to…If Habakkuk’s goal was to take a picture and turn it into plain words, my goal is to reverse engineer it and try to take plain words and build a picture with a word picture. So maybe…Maybe I’m learning a little bit why I was born, right now, and when we’re done…if you doubt what I meant…I’m not saying you did or do…but if you doubt that, so to speak, you won’t in about an hour-and-a-half.Yet in spite of all of Dave's glorious new truth's some RCG members are apparently not getting totally on board with it all. Dave is not happy and warns his diehard legalists to avoid them.
And may God help me get you to understand, before I’m done, why, after you understand all of this, you need to run. And whatever games you’re playing in your life with God—vices, not praying and studying enough, not paying Common when you’re sitting on…or you’re not serving enough, you’re not practicing brotherly love, you’ve got attitudes you’re not overcoming, whatever it is…you know, you hold some funny doctrinal ideas…I mean, now’s the time to run—first of all, away from those. Get away from it…Sabbath attendance, marriage issues; it could be anything…Whatever it is…Unfaithful in your tithing, or you name it…because I’ll just tell you, if you said to me, “Mr. Pack”…at the end of this sermon…“You’re trying to scare us.” You know what I’d say? “You bet your life I am!” and I want to do that before this is done. This is not a snare—you will find out—you want to get caught in.
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
Dave says it's so, so it must be so...
125 Events in Prophetic Sequence from Now Forward!
(Not even close)
Almost-arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Habakkuk, Joshua, Thiel; the self-appointed, doubly blessed, end time witless witness, world renown Mayan authority, set-appointed criticizer of Catholicism, author of numerous irrelevant books on Clinton, Trump, Fatima and end times malarkey, the bitter disappointing "son" of Rod Meredith and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, has produced yet another mind numbing video for his 1,996 African "members."
Given the high quality of "preaching" videos put out by numerous COG's, using standards Herbert Armstrong developed, one would think that God's most important end time leader would use some common sense when producing his own videos.
From crooked bookcases as a back drop to doors with doorknobs next to his head, file cabinets, to sheer curtains with crooked lamps, God's newest self-appointed prophet films his "sermons" to his tiny personalty cult.
The Church of God has produced many men over the decades that are actually good speakers, even if their topics are the stuff of theological nightmares, and then there is Bob Thiel and his sad videos. His videos just seem to get worse and worse. Just watch the first few minutes of the video above and you will be shaking your head. How can ANYONE truly sit there and listen to this 1:20 minute atrocity?
If this is is the face of the Church of God today, then Lord have mercy upon us all!
The Church of God has a long legacy of men, and even a few women, who appear claiming divine revelations from their creature gods.
Now the Church of God's official Chief Pharisee on keeping the law, James Malm, has stated the time line of the end times. By January 2019 the tribulation will be starting. Before that though, the Pope will be performing divine miracles in the Vatican by October of 2018.
This is in direct conflict with Superfantabulous Dave Pack's scenario that the "man of sin" would arise from within the Church of God and perform abominations.
I think it highly probable that Israel will go to war with Gaza and Hezbollah destroying the remaining power of Syria and bringing regime change to Syria; and the US coalition will attack the Revolutionary Guards in Iran.
The general falling away in the COG Groups (Mat 24:3-5, 2 Thess 2:3, 2 Ti 4, Jude) is also moving ahead, more on that after the UCG GCE conference.
If events do not slow down or pause, all signs now point to the setting up of the abomination to do miracles in the Vatican in October of 2018, with the tribulation beginning 75 days later.
Restored Church of God members are so superfantabulous that they will be worshipped by those of us that are heretics, those still in other COG's and those of the world, when Dave's first Jesus returns for the first 1,000 years before he returns a second time for the millennium. Isn't it great to be an RCG member?
And by the way, just in case you wondered…And this is a bigger subject for another time…when that trial is over, you’re going to be the objects of worship. In the first phase of the Kingdom, while you’re still a human being…Jesus Christ is going to be worshipped and he’s a human being coming as the man called the Branch…they’re going to worship you. Does “worship” mean worship? Well, it’s the exact same word that says, in John 4, we “worship” God in spirit and truth, and every other place you read the word “worship”—which means we’re above angels. We’re a little below Elohiym. We’re above angels, because you do not worship angels, never mind those who are below angels. That should be pretty obvious.
Just how many Elijah's can the Church of God have in its midst? Which one is the real one? How is one to know? What about all of the other self-proclaimed "Elijah's" that have appeared in the church over the last 80 some years? They are all dead, just like the biblical Elijah.
We have Ron Weinland, Dave Pack, Gerad Flurry, Alton Billingsley, Bob Thiel and many others who have set themselves up as the "Elijah" to the Church of God. They all claim they have a warning message to the world and yet no one seems to care what they say.
Once again this week we had one of these men trying to "prove" he is Elijah by using COG UK's recently article on "Where is Elijah?"
Where Is Elijah?
If Jesus is to return any time soon, then ‘Elijah’, according to some teachers, should be alive and kicking somewhere on earth…
John the Baptist reflected the life-style of the first Elijah—rough-hewn, godly, dwelling in the desert. He had the same message, to confront ungodliness, ‘…to turn many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God’ (v.16)—a mission he surely accomplished Matthew 3:5-6). A people prepared for the message of Jesus.
But ‘Elijah’ will also return ’…before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Jehovah’ Malachi: 4:5). That day—the great ‘Day of the Lord’—is ushered in by the returning Jesus who said ‘…I will come again’. Elijah’s message will be a call to repentance, a return by mankind to the true God—a call heard worldwide. John, in Revelation, speaks of ‘…my two witnesses’ (ch 11:3ff), and their mission does indeed ‘prepare the way of the Lord’. They reflect both the work of both Elijah [eg drought] and Moses [eg plagues].
It will be an awesome time of tribulation upon those who continue unrepentant, unheeding of the call to turn to God. Their mission will end at the return of Jesus, when they will be glorified with Him, together with the rest of the ’firstfruits harvest’ (Revelation 11:3-12).
Our favorite Bro, Elijah Thiel has this to say about himself:
Although people like the discredited Ron Weinland have claimed to be ‘Elijah,’ neither of them are.
Yet, the Bible does show that there will be an ‘Elijah’ who is alive before Jesus returns and that it is likely that he will be one of the two witnesses. And as Jesus is likely to return within the next couple of decades, it is reasonable to consider that he must be alive today.
Isn't it great to know that the deluded self-appointed false prophet is not only Elijah but that he is one of the two witless witnesses! Glory Hallelujah!The problem is that just as many would not hear Elijah’s or John the Baptist’s messages, relatively few will pay much attention to the end time Elijah as well.
Gerald Weston was well trained by his mentor (Rod Meredith) in fear mongering his flock. He recently sent out a member letter on April 19 outraged over Cadbury's "Easter" controversy and how supposedly a couple in the UK had their foster kids taken from them for refusing to say the Easter Bunny was real. Instead of being outraged at the homeless situation in Charlotte, or being outraged that low income families can't feed their kids or provide adequate housing, or that LCG members are struggling to survive financially because of all the money they are expected to send to HQ, or expressing outrage at how families are being ripped apart by LCG's draconian legalistic laws, he is upset over Candygate.
Then after the usual screed about pagan Easter, he dumps on "lukewarm" LCG members. LCG members should face the fact that they will NEVER be able to do anything right in the eyes of the church leadership. They are too dumb, too lukewarm, and too Laodicean, at least in the eyes of the leadership.
Brethren, the world is about to explode! It is a dangerous mess! We are being overwhelmed by the news. No more of those handpicked single "major" news stories of the day; now people can find instantaneous news from thousands of sources. Much like LCG members can find instantaneous news about the corruption of the LCG leadership, of which, Weston is none too happy about.
The time is short. The end is near. We have heard this mantra shouted out by Rod Meredith for 60 some years. Not once in that entire time has he ever been right.
Dear Members and Co-workers, our world is getting crazier with each passing day! We never know what new shock may greet us each morning! Journalists once strove to publish the one major news story for the day. Sometimes they really had to scramble to find one, and we would often comment, “This must be a slow news day.” Not anymore! Today it is a matter of which major story takes precedence over the others. Will there be a war with North Korea? Will the U.S. and Russia have an incident that sparks a major conflict between the two antagonists in Syria? Will war break out between Israel and its neighbors? Then there is the specter of a terrorist attack at any time and nearly anywhere.
Those who study the Bible should understand that we are truly living in the last days. The Apostle Paul warned us, “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come” (2 Timothy 3:1). What we see today is only the beginning. It will get much worse. We cannot know every twist and turn world events will take, but the Bible gives us the outline and the outcome. One troubling trend is that the very people of God will be lukewarm, neither hot nor cold at the time of the end (Revelation 3:14-19).
What can Weston expect when he, Meredith and the COG as a whole have lied to its membership for decades? People are following God and are still zealous, just not in LCG or a COG. That is a bitter pill for COG leaders to swallow.How strange! One would think that it would be just the opposite. People should become more zealous toward God and doing His will as they see end-time events descending upon them. Such is not the case.
Of course, there is the big bad bogeyman Satan who is the cause of all of this.
There is a real spirit being directing the course of this world (Ephesians 2:1-2). He is a master of distraction. He gives us every physical toy we could ever imagine. Television, once considered the greatest time waster, now competes with Facebook, Twitter, e-mail, Instagram and a host of other electronic devices and programs that vie for our attention. No technology is evil in itself, but taken together without exercising character to set proper priorities, people wear out before they get to those things that are important.LCG members and COG members as a whole are worn out because of the constant abuse levelled at them by the church leadership. Legalism trumps grace every time. The "rules" must be followed over showing love to one another. Love and grace are four letter words that COG leaders despise.
So what is important in your life? What is your passion? What demands the greatest devotion from you? Is it your hobby? Is it your family? Family is certainly important, but is it the most important?Apparently many in the LCG are placing an emphasis on their families and doing things with them instead of taking that money and sending it in to Weston. How dare they! How can Jimmy Meredith spend thousands of dollars every year skiing, snorkelling, boating, and travelling to exotic locales when that money should go directly to Weston's church fund? He has a message to get out Lil'Jimmy! Get on board!!!
At some point, we all come to the place where one question stands out above all else. Is there life after death? The Bible says there is. Does it not make sense to investigate the possibility? Hobbies, while of temporal value, will not get you there. The trappings of success, such as money and material possessions, cannot get you there, and you cannot take them with you beyond the grave. Even family is of no lasting value if you put family before God. Read Jesus’ own words for yourself: “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate [love to a lesser degree by comparison] his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple” (Luke 14:26). Is there life after death, and what must I do to find it?
What will it take to stir each of us to take action and go all out to serve the living God? Jesus tells us, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together” (John 4:34-36).Living Church of God members are asking just how much Gerald Weston, Lil'Jimmy, Rod McNair and others will sacrifice for the work? LCG members have never seen these guys or the leadership as whole set any example. Instead, LCG members and employees have experienced this:
My husband worked there for over 5 years and he never saw a bigger group of backbiters and cut-throats.
Rod Meredith promotes an atmosphere where if you stab your co-worker in the back, but give him your version of the story 1st, they other guy gets pushed down the ladder and the bully gets exalted.
Everyone is so insecure and selfish that they expend huge amounts of energy making sure that no one steals their piece of the pie. Working to make sure you get noticed before someone else takes credit for your work is a constant struggle.
If one were to randomly pick ANY worldly work office it would be more harmonious. Typically the people you work with aren't on the same level of self-righteousness, arrogance or filled with as much selfish ambition as the leading men at LCG headquarters.
It truly is a "brood of vipers".
All the vipers have their little pet projects that feed their egos. It's disgusting.
It was hard being a member in LCG knowing what its headquarters was like. If the average member glimpsed a peek of the lies and other shady behavior that goes on their so frequently that it's become common place, they might think twice about sending in those tithes.What Gerald Weston and the leadership of the Living Church of God needs to do is to get on their knees this coming sabbath in front of their congregations and ask for forgiveness on how abusive they have been to the members. Then every single minister and church leader should fast to prove to the members just how sick and degenerate they have become spiritually and STOP making the membership fast for you! Sadly, this will never happen. Egotism and narcissism cannot allow these "men" to admit they have a weak side or are wrong. Humility has no room in the ministry of the LCG. If you want proof of that, just go up to your local minister this Sabbath and ask him if he is a humble man. No LCG member should ever again fast for the leadership to get its act in gear. They will always refuse to. All you are doing is making yourself hungry.
Below is a recent comment by an LCG source recently. The things said below are not new and are common in the LCG community.
"He has built one of the finest families in the entire Work of God. He sets a superb example in all these ways, and at the same time has attained a spirit of humility, sacrifice and service rather than letting any of this go to his head".
Oh brother! Now I want to puke.
I don't only think that Rod McNair isn't Christian. I'd go a step further than that. He's evil.
He will lie, cheat or steal to gain more power.
He is the epitome of a boot-licker which is why Meredith thinks he's so swell.
He is suspicious and quick to over-react.
He ALWAYS uses a sledge hammer instead of a fly swatter when it comes to disciplining members and he will do so for the flimsiest of reasons (sometimes for completely made-up reasons!).
He commands respect and thinks it's owed to him and that he is responsible to do nothing to earn it.
He refuses to admit when he is wrong.
He corners wives in an effort to get them to turn on their husbands.
He tells wives to keep journals of all their grievances against their husbands and then to share all those little secrets with him.
He keeps files on anyone he feels isn't fully submitting to LCG (not to be confused with submitting to God) or anyone who dare have an opinion or anyone who asks questions or thinks for themselves.
He is egotistical, not humble.
He's never sacrifices a thing! He was born into a COG power family and has had everything handed to him on a silver platter.
It's great that RCM thinks Rod's power hasn't gone to his head but that might be the most laughable of all the ignorant statements in that quote. I have never met a more power hungry, egotistical BULLY in all my life!
Funny thing is, even ministers in LCG can't stand him and will say so behind his back. But until RCM dies they just bite their collective tongues.
Rod McNair is a horrible human being and I wish with all my heart that I had never heard his name or had him in my life. He is an inflictor of pain and a total liar.
May God have mercy on his soul.