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Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. Every crazy, weird and wacky quote is straight from the pens of Armstrongite leaders or members who think they possess some insight into God and the Bible. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!

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  • 04/18/17--08:22: Can Faith Be Proven?

  • Awhile back Apostle Pack gave it his best shot at proving God's existence with his bombastic and self assured outdated, badly restated, greatly glitterated , memorized but not studied, copied and plagarized from creationist lit long ago negated but nicely mistated.   His presentation was obliterated by Aron Ra leaving anyone with an interest in knowing if Dave knows what he is taking about, which he doesn't.

    I have never seen a creationist argument out of a need to prove religious truths scientifically and with the scientific method, as they twist and manipulate it or don't even understand it, succeed.  The conclusion is already believed and the "facts" are used to prove what they already know and can't not know to be true because it is religion, which cannot be proven to begin with but dare not be denied.

     Religion is a function of faith not facts and as time goes on and on, the facts tend to obliterate that which used to be understood by faith.  Science well done has not once reverted back to faith.  Faith issues have often had to yield to scientific inquiry done well with good conclusions about the truth of a matter settling the matter with more details yet and always to follow over time. Is faith really just believing what deep inside you know or suspect probably isn't actually so?

    "Ignor-ance is not only what you don't know, it's what you won't know"

    Growing up Presbyterian,  no one said and not once did I ever hear a sermon on "prove me now herewith and see if..." or "Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good." They really had no big issues that needed that kind of attention. Is that really possible with issues of faith?  If I had, I would have wondered just how do you do that anyway.  Oh I know that archaeologists have tried to prove this or that event in the Bible but haven't done all that well and often these days, the opposite has been shown to be more the case. Cosmologist has show us just how insignificant egocentric humans are and those who do the hard work and study of human origins have laid the Adam and Eve myth to rest long long ago for those not threatened by the facts. 

    Everything religious is taken on faith is it not?   "He that comes to God MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS...."  Faith, as expressed in scripture leaves facts out of the mix.  Is that not the formula we find in Hebrews 11?

    "Now faith is the substance of what we hope for . The evidence of things not seen."

    Is that not the same as saying ...

    "Now faith is the substance of what we hope is true. The evidence of things for which we have no evidence"?

    In WCG I was assured I could "prove" God's laws of tithing by doing it and seeing if the windows of heaven did not open up.  Ummm......and ummmm.

    There is not one conversation in the OT that I can prove in any real sense ever was actually spoken n by the person or even god that is said to have spoken it. There is not one person in the OT I can actually proved ever really existed.  I suspect the Priests of that God got together and said,  "Let's say this" or "Let's command that."  Well trained  archaeologists with everything to lose say no to Moses, Abraham, Solomon and possibly even David and that "we exaggerate and the Old Testament, as you call it, is a small cultic people giving themselves a large pedigree while in captivity."
    (Israel  Finkelstein  Author of The Bible Unearthed, to me personally  sitting at a picnic table at Tel Megiddo where he is the lead archaeologist)

    Who knew what God said at creation?  Who wrote down or knew the exact conversation Abraham had with Isaac alone before almost sacrificing him?  Who knew the words of Jesus, alone in the Garden with sleeping disciples or what Pilate's wife told him in private?  Who wrote down or knew the exact words of the long winded speeches of Stephen or of Jesus at the last Passover of which the other Gospels knew nothing?  Are these not what some author imagined they would say so he said they said it for effect?  It was a common writing style of the day. 

    I can't prove that God actually said what I have been told all my life "He" said. And while it's right there in the Bible, surely we can't think that settles it really?  Maybe most do.  I can't. 

    Does not "Prove me now herewith" and "Prove all things" really mean if you try really hard enough, you can reach the same conclusions and beliefs we already have come to for you in religion?  Is not this cart before the horse and formula for "Well, it sure didn't work for us" and being the reason so many lose their faith, like that's a bad thing.

    Did not Paul say "Let us all speak the same thing," not the same right thing but "that there be no division in the body." Is that the way to prove what is real?  

     It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them.
    Proverbs 25:2

    Aside from it being not just the privilege of the King but of everyone, what if the conclusions drawn thousands of years later are not what were expected of the King thousands of years ago?

    Can you prove faith or any religious thought or belief?
     That's not the nature of Faith or Religion is it?
    Just asking....

    (And I'm not "trying to destroy your faith" and try really hard not dismiss Aron's  Epilogue to Dave's arrogant attempt to prove what he so badly didn't by noticing he has long hair.  There is not a COG minister or writer who could stand up to his grasp of "the facts")

    I personally  believe, based on fact and hope perhaps, that humans are hard wired to be spiritual in their thinking. We have a sense of wonder and find ways to respect all we see around us and can't explain or couldn't at one time.  I still find awe and wonder in weather but unlike Bob Thiel, do not find it caused by the gods or their way of "trying to get our attention." I find it to be high and low pressure facts. 

     To me, religion is what others, like a Dave Pack, Rod Meridith, Gerald Flurry  and all the other one man truth dispensers hope I'll believe of them. It is what others pour into your head. What to believe, where to be, how much to give, what thoughts to think. 

     Spirituality is an inside job and organizations hate those who have spiritual perspectives.  The spiritual are like cats who can neither be organized or herded into their seats.  Dogs, who pray, pay, obey and stay populate organizations. They fetch, sit, roll over and beg for more.  

    Never thinking or ever really being able to come to proper conclusion about the absurdities their trainers like Dave Pack dish out because religious ideas can't really be proven and must be taken on some kind of faith until they no longer can be and the damage is done...

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    Superfantabulous Dave Pack has announced that if all of the RCG members "stay on fire" by being filled with Dave's messages, that they will glow radioactively when his fake "jesus" returns.
    Here’s why. If you can stay on fire for the Work before he gets here—avoid getting drunk, or unaware, or sleepy, before he gets here—after he gets here, you’ll glow radioactive, you’ll be so on fire. The test is whether you can stay awake before he gets here; whether you can be accounted worthy during the easy times, like right now. Once they show up, everybody is going to sit bolt upright, come forward on their seat, eyes bugging—all of us. The whole world will, but before he comes, particularly if we are warning about him, it’s going to be tough. The first thing I wanted to say here, is just believe Christ. Apart from Him saying, “Fear not,” believe Him when He says your goal is to be deemed worthy to escape before anything here happens.

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    Guest article:

    The Meat of the Gospel: Salvation by Carnivory

    by: Retired Prof

    On the face of it, the doctrine that a god/man had to die to spare us from horrible punishment for our sins is absurd. Let us accept the idea that a creator designed and constructed an unimaginably vast universe. Say he stocked one tiny speck of it with a breeding pair of sentient, rational beings and vowed to kill them if they displeased him. So far so good. But does it make sense that he would then have designed them vulnerable to temptation and set before them an irresistible temptation? He had to know they were bound to give in, yet when they did he declined to acknowledge his own mistake (or sadistic ploy?) but placed all the blame on them.

    In an attempt to mitigate the absurdity, those who devised the doctrine compounded it. They say the creator will save his creatures from his own wrath by siring a son who will never displease him and then having that son sacrificed in their stead. Sure, they will still die, but that is okay, since killing his sinless son will melt his heart enough to make him relent and let them enjoy a pain-free existence after death--as long as they meet certain terms and conditions. Otherwise he will condemn them to horrible suffering. 

    How can anyone claim, much less actually believe, that taking the life of an innocent person could restore the lives of guilty ones? Why would the kind of loving creator Christians believe in devise such a convoluted, irrational “plan of salvation”? An omniscient being should manage to keep things from getting out of hand in the first place. If he were as kind and loving as they say, he would not have made creatures so faulty that they had to be kicked out of Eden. He would not have poured upon their descendants a massive flood that drowned not only the sinners who provoked his wrath, but their innocent babies, their livestock—in fact all the sinless bystander-creatures that shared their world, except barely enough for seed stock to repopulate the place. He would not sadistically plan to resurrect the sinners and destroy their lives all over again by throwing them into a pool seething with fire. Furthermore, he should never need to resort to a makeshift fix once he decided that some of his human creatures could be salvaged. Surely he could think of some way to let sin-contaminated descendants of Adam and Eve off the hook without having to torture and kill one additional person—this one entirely free of sin, and his own son besides.

    However bizarre this doctrine seems from a rational point of view, it does make psychological sense if we examine how two powerful human influences have intertwined: our conflicted reactions to eating animals and our tendency to believe in the supernatural.

    All cultures recognize that we share with other animals the same nutritional reality. For us to live, something else must die. Most of us are untroubled if the thing that dies is an insensate turnip or a mushroom, but animals are a different matter. I once fattened a lamb for slaughter. Every day when I brought feed and water to the pen where he lived alone, he would put his front hooves up on the bottom board, peer over the fence, and greet me with a hearty “baa.” I was the only friend that lamb had. The cold November day when I knocked him in the head and cut his throat, I felt like a total traitor. Even a wild animal or bird I do not have a personal relationship with—when I shoot one my exultation at having solved a suite of difficult problems and thereby gained a quantity of edible flesh is tempered by the image of a vital creature suddenly converted to an inert mass of meat.

    Members of our species manage turmoil with rituals, and the rituals many cultures observe in connection with slaughter suggest my kind of turmoil is pervasive. Some American Indians pray for forgiveness to the spirits of the animals they have killed. Hmong immigrants who share some of the hunting areas where I go cover the eyes of deer they are carrying to their vehicle, out of respect for the animal’s spirit. Observant Jews and Muslims eat meat only from animals that were ritually slaughtered. Even secular societies may require rituals. After I shoot a deer or turkey or goose, I must report to the Department of Natural Resources (a kind of secular priesthood) that I performed the slaughter by a prescribed method in the prescribed hunting zone. Meat from domestic animals must be inspected and certified under the secular authority of the U. S. Department of Agriculture.

    Humans perform such acts whenever something both awful and awesome takes place. Slaughter is awful because we pity the animal and because its death reminds us we too will die. It is awesome because it delivers satisfying, life-sustaining food. We feel a need to expiate our guilt, celebrate our triumph, and dissipate our mortal gloom. Ever since our species came into being, most of us have felt a need to turn at such times to gods of one sort or another, who we think must be scrutinizing what we do. We design our rituals with those gods in mind. 

    Members of cultures that believe all animals have a spirit may condone slaughter by claiming the victims were complicit. Friends who attended a Sun Dance in South Dakota reported that several young men set out on the reservation to acquire a buffalo for the feast associated with the ceremony. They found a lone bull and shot him. As animals often do when shot through the heart/lungs, this one dashed away. The men said it ran toward the road and conveniently died where they could pull up to it and load the meat in the back of their truck. They were convinced that the bull’s spirit had donated his body to the ceremony.

    In cultures that worship a creator who is separate from creation, people may excuse killing other creatures by saying their god demands the slaughter. Cain, for example, couldn’t get by with trying to foist off vegetables as a sacrifice. Only meat would do—meat from the finest unblemished specimens. Someone once expressed the opinion that priests wrote Genesis that way because they bore the solemn duty to eat the sacrifice on behalf of YHWH, and they would rather be obliged to eat lamb chops or T-bone steaks than arugula or Brussels sprouts. Still, it seems unlikely that priests could persuade herdsmen to donate their most prized animals unless the herdsmen felt burdened with turmoil and found they could relieve it by placating their god with a sacrifice.

    Most cultures have believed in gods who were similarly pleased by top-of-the-line sacrifices. The more prized the sacrifice, the greater joy it gave to the gods, and the more leniently they would treat the person who made it. Some cultures carried this trend beyond animal to human sacrifice. It made sense. What is even more valuable than the finest bullock? A captured slave. What is more valuable than a slave? Someone who represents the future of one’s own tribe. Incas seized on females entering prime breeding age. Aztecs upped the ante by sacrificing gods. Though these gods came in the physical form of human beings, they were identified symbolically as divine avatars. Christians also ritually sacrifice such a god/man, inflicting symbolic, not actual death. The slaughter of Jesus, the linchpin of salvation, is re-enacted yearly in passion plays. Believers then symbolically eat the sacrificial flesh and drink the sacrificial blood in the Catholic/Anglican Eucharist, the Protestant Lord’s Supper, or the Armstrongist Passover. The symbolism is a powerful way to affirm the believer’s closeness to Jesus. No relationship can be more intimate than the assimilation of one being into another.

    So this part about sacrificing Jesus so that others may live makes perfect emotional sense. The Lamb of God is performing the same role as a literal lamb, except symbolically, on a spiritual level. Just as they know material meat will help keep them alive during this life, Christians believe spiritual flesh and blood will keep them alive forever.

    However significant and moving the ceremony may be for others, I can’t see my way clear to turn loose of my preference for the literal over the symbolic, reason over emotion, flesh over spirit. It is impossible for me to believe sincerely that anything, not even a consecrated wafer and a sip of magic wine that represent the nutritive substance of a guy who died two thousand years ago, could keep me alive forever. And I refuse topretend to believe it could. The absurdity of other tenets associated with the Christian plan of salvation gives me confidence that my skepticism is justified.

    Maybe you are different. You may be a person who glories in convoluted logic. You may feel it opens up mystical possibilities, which you find deeply satisfying in a way you can’t quite explain. If so you should carry on, for the sake of the emotional depth. You are under no obligation to follow the mundane example of secular folk like me.

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    Rod Meredith has a new "Personal" letter our for the LCG faithful.  In his typical style, it is all about sex, perversions, and all kinds of "nasty" things that seem to still occupy his mind as his life winds down. It is hard to imagine a life of 60 some years as an "adult" that is so preoccupied with gay sex as his has been.

    He starts his letter out stating that he hopes he intentionally "offends" LCG members reading the letter. According to his reasoning, the media and Satan have destroyed the youth of the church and the world by turning them into sex crazed fornicating perverts who can't keep their minds off of sex.  If they are not whipped into shape soon then they will leave the LCG and their lives will be total failures, their parents will be embarrassed and most likely will despise them.
    Dear Brethren and Friends, Powerful forces of evil are facing our youth more than in any time in modern history! I want to address this problem as strongly and openly as I can. I hope that I will offend none of you by being somewhat plain in describing various situations. The world—and its media—certainly describes these things in detail. So we should not be “embarrassed” about discussing this reality that is being propagated in our society and which our young people understand far too well—whether some of us older people grasp this or not. Thousands of you older brethren are parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts who have a sincere interest in helping the youth in God’s Church. So all of us have a responsibility to help our young people understand what is happening to them before it is too late! For many of them will be “lost” to the Church and to the way of God unless we take action!
    Meredith wants all LCG members to read The Marketing of Evil by David Kupelian.  Apparently this is the new "go to" book for the LCG.  The book was heavily promoted on WorldNetDaily, an ultra conservative web site that so many COG's look to for their "news." The church has had a tradition of choosing "worldly" books that fit their end times deterioration of society world view and this one really fits the bill.
    Frankly, brethren, I hope many of you will purchase and study this book I have recommended: The Marketing of Evil. It can be a guide to you in the sense that it will help you understand the real background of this whole perverted movement, which Satan has spawned to propagandize and deceive our young people in many important areas of life. For many of them have not had the experience to grasp the suffering that is often caused by these perverted behaviors. 
    It is always the outside world that is attacking the church.  Never once does it chose to look inwardly at the deep seated sins that occupy the leadership of the church.  LCG proudly includes in its history how a known pedophile from WCG Pasadena was instrumental in starting the Global Church of God who later helped bankrupt it and then helped start the Living Church of God.  Imperial Schools students from Pasadena have one horror story after another about trips to Camp River Glen with this guy.  Nor does LCG worry too much about some in its ministry that have had rampant sexual problems while they were in WCG where they were well know for their various peccadillo's.

    The church has never looked inwardly at its own sins, but has always looked outwardly to find the closest scapegoat.  Yet it claims to be the following:
    Only God’s Church can be a true bulwark against this absolute “rubbish,” which is being palmed off as Truth!
    ...or so Meredith claims.

    Sadly, this has never been the case, regardless of which COG incarnation is being discussed.  the church has never been a bulwark of anything.  Just look at the scores of delusional self-appointed narcissistic COG leaders running various COG's today.  None of them are "bulwark's of truth or of God's word. The church has promoted so much rubbish over the decades and has ruined so many lives that it can never be a true "bulwark" against anything!  It cannot be trusted to dispense "truth."

    Meredith goes on to rail against transgenders, gays, and other evils that have ruined the minds of LCG youth.  He then moves directly into these very youth being tortured and killed by the upcoming "beast power" because many of them will not make it to Petra.  Young people of LCG and the world are being set up to suffer through he tribulation, IF they even live through it.  Why is it that life is always so pleasant in Meredith's mind...?
    Our young people need to be actively guided to genuinely understand this! For our present society—in which they will have to suffer far more than many of us who are older, if they live right on through the Great Tribulation—is headed straight back to Sodom and Gomorrah and the horrifying things pictured directly in the book of Revelation. God describes the society soon to come, when men will so misunderstand and “despise” the true God that they will even fight Christ at His Second Coming!
    The Living Church of God has been fighting God ever since its inception.  It refuses to accept anything that Jesus tried to get across to people.  It rejects the new covenant, a standard that most Christians understand but not those in COG leadership positions.

    Meredith ends with this:
    If all of us who are adult Christians genuinely “reach out” to our young people—with love and understanding, yet with firm conviction, as well—perhaps they can be helped to understand, and we can thus save their lives from the awful suffering that is going to come from those who are cut off from God.
    So I ask all of you, in Jesus’ name, to “get involved” in helping and caring for the well-being of our young people. Take time to teach your children, your grandchildren, your nieces, nephews and other young people you know and love, to understand before it is too late! Using the Bible, using this outstanding book I have mentioned—The Marketing of Evil—and using my article on “Satan’s Alternative Universe” and other “tools” which this Work gives you over and over, you can help if you will stir yourselves to take action. May God help all of us to strengthen our youth at home, through the Church, through our youth programs and in every way we can before it is too late!
    Get ready for LCG to start throwing its youth to the curbside as parents and church members accuse them of all kinds of satanic things.  Will we soon see LCG practicing the same filthy teaching that Philadelphia Church of God does towards its youth?

    The most healthy thing the youth of the LCG could do for their spiritual and emotional life is to LEAVE the LCG as soon as they possibly can.

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    Is there room for a person of faith to have doubt in their life about God and their spiritual journey, particularly in the Church of God?  Because the church dealt in absolutes and had to have the answer to everything, there was not much room for doubt to find fertile ground to play around in.  Questioning and inquisitiveness were frowned upon.  To do so was to question the leadership of the church, Herbert Armstrong, the ministry, the Bible and ultimately God. To try and solve that "problem" the church had hundreds of books, booklets, articles, and videos explaining everything imaginable.  Because the church was God's specially appointed tool of "truth" it could NOT be questioned. To do so was sin.

    As children we were encouraged to be inquisitive and questioning, but as adults we are told to stop doing that.  As a person of faith in the church one must never doubt or be inquisitive, at least in the words of "wisdom" of the leadership.  The problem this creates is that with certainty there is no room for faith to flourish.

    At the church I attend I work with new members seeking to join.  We meet for 6 weeks  two hours a week listing to stories of staff telling their journey's of faith and doubt.  Then we break into small groups were we share our personal stories.  Many have come from abusive churches and are seeking a place of refugee.  The interesting thing with so many, including myself, is that in spite of all the spiritual abuse and sometimes physical abuse, there is something that keeps drawing them and myself back to the church.

    Here are some screen shots of the meeting we had last week that centered on faith and doubt.  Things like this would NEVER have been encouraged in the Worldwide Church of God, nor will it be in any COG today.

    Can you imagine what would've happened to the WCG if we had allowed skepticism?  Most of our baloney dogma would never have been allowed to take root!  Certitude reigned supreme in the church and still does.

    This journeying doubt has been a fascinating one to me. I do not need the answers. I seek to understand things, but never to the point I think I have the answer. I tell the people in my groups each class that never should they accept the words of the preacher as the final say on anything.  It should be a jumping off point.  A point to start asking questions and as soon as we think a question is close to being answered we should  have another one.  We will never give them an answer as to how things "should be." We let them play in the field of questions.

    In the COG fear was used as a tool to stop all inquisitiveness.  Fear of disobeying God by doubting, fear of losing ones salvation, fear of never making it to Petra and the ultimate fear tool was blaspheming the holy spirit.  Church of God members have been conditioned to never examine their faith.

    “Take faith, for example. For many people in our world, the opposite of faith is doubt. The goal, then, within this understanding, is to eliminate doubt. But faith and doubt aren't opposites. Doubt is often a sign that your faith has a pulse, that it's alive and well and exploring and searching. Faith and doubt aren't opposites, they are, it turns out, excellent dance partners.”
    ― Rob BellWhat We Talk about When We Talk about God

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    How well would you do?

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    Rod Meredith wrote his last "Passover" letter to his flock recently. He writes that Jesus told everyone that were his followers to wash one another feet, lay down our lives for one another as our ENTIRE way of life, and to take up his cross and carry it proudly.

    Then he has to pull his usual "blame the brethren" shtick.  Those lazy LCG members just never quit get it and never fully contribute to "...building the work of God on earth today."
    Even most true Christians spend far too much energy trying to “find” their lives rather than consciously “losing” their lives in order to serve God and genuinely serve their fellow human beings. We will try to find excuses for doing what we want to do. We will use our time and energy in ways that do notcontribute to building others spiritually or to building the Work of God on earth today. We will often waste one of the most precious commodities God has given us—time. We must not waste this precious commodity, but rather try to make every day of our life really “count for something” in serving others and helping others grow toward the fullness and the stature of Christ. In that way, we help ourselves at the same time to achieve the same goal.
    The ones that seem to be constantly trying to find their lives in the church seem to be COG members and those currently being tormented by legalism.  A follower of Christ, who understands the New Covenant knows that they have been "found." There is no struggle or time spent on "woe is me, I am never going to make it" conversations in their minds.  Since the church refuses to acknowledge Jesus, it is no wonder Meredith feels this is a constant problem.  He has been struggling all of his life to find the Jesus he refuses to follow.

    He then says the following, which seems to be swipe at some in the LCG ministry. They too, never quit get it right, which has been painfully obvious to thousands of members who've suffered and are currently suffering under some of the tyrants.  It is ironic that Meredith states that some leaders "exalt themselves at the expense of others," consider this has been the modus operandi of Meredith for decades.  Look at the trail of destruction and ruined lives that have been left tin his wake over the decades.  His stint as director of the field ministry while in WCG was appalling at the amount of abuse he dished out.  And who can forget his role in the "man power papers!"
    Often, without fully realizing it, many of us try to become “leaders” by exalting the self at the expense of others. After describing how the rulers of the Gentiles did this, Jesus said, “Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave—just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:26–28).
    When has Rod Meredith EVER been a servant of the brethren?  He has been waited upon, hand and foot, for decades by myriads of church members and employees. He has lived a life of privilege in the church ever since his days in Pasadena.

    He also writes:
    The religious leaders of Jesus’ day were often “competing” with one another and saving for themselves the “best” of everything along the way. However, Jesus Christ commanded: “But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted” (Matthew 23:11–12).
    This sounds exactly like every single COG leader currently running a splinter group today.  Ever single one of the men are "competing" with each other to see who can draw in the most members, raise the most money, or do the most amazing end time work ever. Just look at  Flurry, Pack, Kubik and our resident pissant Thiel; every single one of them have self-appointed themselves as God's mouthpiece  and will do all they can to draw in other COG members to their groups in order to use their tithe money of their own self-indulgent purposes.

    Then Meredith makes another weird command for his members to follow.  They are to continually abase themselves.
    The above verses are genuinely powerful if we are willing to fully understand them. We must always try to abase the self and do all we can to serve other human beings, as Christ Himself did when He was “made flesh” (John 1:14). Then, and only then, will we be truly “exalted” by God Himself.

    1. behave in a way so as to belittle or degrade (someone).
    verb (used with object)abased, abasing.
    to reduce or lower, as in rank, office, reputation,or estimation; humble; degrade.
    2. Archaic. to lower; put or bring down: 

    It is no wonder LCG members have to continually try and find themselves when they are taught to belittle themselves!  "You low life, unworthy, dirty worms, who are clothed in filthy rags, are never good enough for God." That is the message Rod Meredith has preached for decades.  What more could we expect form a man who does not know Jesus.

    Meredith then goes on to claim that the LCG has one of the most HUMBLE ministries that the COG has ever seen in 67 years!  Take that Bob Thiel!
    Dear brethren and friends, I hope every one of you can begin to learn this lesson, as we reflect on the Passover and on the entire purpose of God to make us in His image! We have tried to build this attitude within the ministry and leadership of God’s Church as a whole in the Living Church of God. Many of you brethren realize this. In our past association, we had the so-called “super deacons” who would push people around. We would often have ministers who would take care of the self and not try to genuinely help and give and serve their brethren with every fiber of their being. Now, near the end of my life, I am grateful to God to report that we have—in my opinion—one of the most solid, dedicated and humble ministries that I have experienced in 67 years in God’s Church.
    The most solid, dedicated and humble splinter group of the mother church ever! Ha Ha Ha!  These same men making up the ministry of the LCG are the very same men who were abusive in the Worldwide Church of God.  Rod Meredith. Richard Ames, and Gerald Weston do not have a humble bone in their bodies!  LCG members who comment here routinely write about the abuses of these three men, in addition to scores of other LCG ministers, including Meredith's own children! Humility has NEVER been an attribute of the Church of God since Herbert Armstrong threw his hissy-fit and apostatized from the Church of God in Oregon.

    Meredith then goes on to praise three of LCG's most humble men, Richard Ames, Douglas Winnail, Dexter Wakefield, and Rod McNair.  Rod McNair???????  Seriously?????  

    According to Meredith, Rod McNair has done the following:
    He has built one of the finest families in the entire Work of God. He sets a superb example in all these ways, and at the same time has attained a spirit of humility, sacrifice and service rather than letting any of this go to his head.
    This is the same pig that said that the elderly are possessed by demons and that LCG members should not work in nursing homes.  This is the same man who lied about the Scarbouroughs.  Humble my ass!  Sacrificial?   ROTFLMAO!  Since when has McNair sacrificed anything?  He is one of the pampered elite that thinks he deserves everything, especially RESPECT!

    Meredith ends with this:
    But if we can keep the attitude of humility and servant leadership—if we can keep the “foot-washing attitude” constantly before us and follow Christ in that way—He will continue to lead and empower this Work in a remarkable way. Then, we can all definitely look forward to Jesus’ words: “Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities” (Luke 19:17). So whether we are over “ten cities,” ten nations, or perhaps even ten galaxies, we will be rewarded forever if we learn the lessons of Passover and the foot washing. So, let us learn to genuinely humble ourselvesand work as a “team” under Jesus Christ to do His Work with love and humility and cooperation until the end of our human lives.
    This is never going to happen.  Within a year of Meredith's death the Living Church of God will have major problems.  Humility will never be allowed to surface.  The lowly church members will never have their feet washed by the elite.  Abuses will continue.  Lives will be destroyed and lives will be lost, all because they STILL refuse to follow that most inconvenient dude.

    You can read this appalling mess of a message here:  Editorial - The "Foot Washing" Way of Life

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    An amazing discovery was uncovered in 2003 when long lost relatives of Bob Thiel and Dave Pack were discovered in Indonesia.  These were the original COG members who set in motion the amazing fact that after several millennia, 3,000 - 4,000 specially chosen humans out of billions would exist in the 21st century as the only chosen of God.  These future kings, priests and world rulers are the end product of all human evolution.  It is hard to imagine that the ultimate purpose of creation was so Thiel and Pack could be the Chosen Ones.  After all, dreams have proven it all, or so we are told.

    These ancient dwarfs are the precursor to the theological dwarfs of Pack and Thiel.

    ANCIENT “hobbits” recently discovered in Indonesia were not an early form of modern human but an entirely different species, scientists have found.

    Experts initially believed the Homo Floresiensis – or Flores man – were just a shrunken variety of early humans.
    But a study by The Australian National University (ANU) found the race were most likely a different species altogether.
    Researchers think they were related to a sister species of Homo habilis – one of the earliest known ancestors of modern mankind which lived in Africa 1.75 million years ago. 

    Read about this fascinating discovery here:  SHIRE GENIUS Flores Man ‘hobbits’ found in Indonesia 

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  • 04/21/17--13:09: Dear Mr. Who ever are you...

  • From a reader:

    Click Me!
    Dear Mr. Who ever are you, reading you articles about Churches of God I believe that you not OK on you mind. 
     you are not unset criticizer of Mr Armstrong and other church leaders and than you should stop writing stupid articles
    Because you showing you self how stupid you are. First of all you should know the people your self not making story about them. Mr
    Armstrong was first person in about 2000 year that preached for first time gospel to the world if you know what gospel are. Why don't you 
    Write something about Jehovah Witnesses or other groups who do not preach right gospel.
    OK, I agree there was falls ministers in Worldwide Church of God otherwise church will not collapse after Mr Armstrong died.  And even to 
    Day there are many wrong man among us, but God will be judge not you or me.

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    The March issue of the Journal is out.  It features articles on Ian Boyne, the Ambassador College reunion that was held in Las Vegas, Living Church of God's little "university" being able to grant associate degrees, and much more. We have all witnessed how well that played out with Michael Germano on this blog. Rather embarrassing for a COG leader to act in such a way.

    It also has its usual ads.  Is it me or are the people that pay for those ads getting crazier by the day?


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    The Kitchen clan gets more theological bankrupt every day.  These guys bow at the feet of Herbert Armstrong's statue every day in worshipful adoration.
    If we do not keep the True Gospel message, the message sent by God the Father who sent it through His Son, Jesus Christ, who in turn sent it through His Apostles, in our time Apostle(Herbert W Armstrong), if we do NOT keep that message in our mind, as a memory, in remembrance, remembering it continually, then we believed in VAIN. And if we believed in VAIN, are we then CONVERTED? BELIEVING is a VITAL PART of Conversion! This is Jesus Christ saying it, read those verses AGAIN.
    So the you have it.  If you do not believe in Herb and his word you are worshipping in vain.  Jesus be damned, Herb's the man!
    Jesus Christ through the Apostle Paul says we are "being SAVED", that is, IF... IF WE keep in MEMORY that TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE preached by the APOSTLE! If we don't we have believed in vain. Just like what Christ said in Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 
    Your focus MUST be upon Herb.  Any failure to follow ANYTHING Herb said is an immediate road trip to Petra where you will have to live with Bob Thiel and listen to him preach for 3 1/2 years.
    If you don't keep your focus on God and His Son and the Apostle sent, if we don't keep to what God has given us via the Apostle, we only do it BECAUSE men commanded it. See, you'll only see the man. And many today only see the man, which is why many turn against God and God's Truth and Gospel to ANOTHER gospel via someone else, to whom they have chosen. Not God's Chosen. We must CATCH THE VISION, keeping the right FOCUS on things as God sees it!
    We now have 700 different versions of Herb's "truth."
    Why not OBEY GOD, and HOLD FAST to what we were given through the Apostle.
    All Herb, all the time.

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    Dave Pack says he was born to fulfill the roll of being a "reverse engineer" who has to look backwards at HWA's and Habakuk's prophecies.

    So my job, because I don’t have the vision…I do have the plain words that this obedient prophet wrote down…My job is to reverse engineer this as best I can and give you a word picture that horrifies you and me in the way God wanted it, so that all of YOU, who read it—because you can’t see it, I can’t really give you a photograph—but that all of you will run when you read it. That’s my task, and we will not be done until today is done, and if it drifts into next week and blends in with some things I cover next week, well then, so be it. 
    My goal is to…is to…If Habakkuk’s goal was to take a picture and turn it into plain words, my goal is to reverse engineer it and try to take plain words and build a picture with a word picture. So maybe…Maybe I’m learning a little bit why I was born, right now, and when we’re done…if you doubt what I meant…I’m not saying you did or do…but if you doubt that, so to speak, you won’t in about an hour-and-a-half.
    Yet in spite of all of Dave's glorious new truth's some RCG members are apparently not getting totally on board with it all.  Dave is not happy and warns his diehard legalists to avoid them.
    And may God help me get you to understand, before I’m done, why, after you understand all of this, you need to run. And whatever games you’re playing in your life with God—vices, not praying and studying enough, not paying Common when you’re sitting on…or you’re not serving enough, you’re not practicing brotherly love, you’ve got attitudes you’re not overcoming, whatever it is…you know, you hold some funny doctrinal ideas…I mean, now’s the time to run—first of all, away from those. Get away from it…Sabbath attendance, marriage issues; it could be anything…Whatever it is…Unfaithful in your tithing, or you name it…because I’ll just tell you, if you said to me, “Mr. Pack”…at the end of this sermon…“You’re trying to scare us.” You know what I’d say? “You bet your life I am!” and I want to do that before this is done. This is not a snare—you will find out—you want to get caught in.

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  • 04/22/17--18:12: Simple Schmiple

  • "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
    2 Corinthians 11:3
    (While not of fan of a real Eve or a talking Serpent , even I know Dave ain't simple)

    29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
    Matthew 11:30
    (and the burdens he puts on everyone ain't light! Well...and he hardly fits the gentle and humble in heart either)


    Dave says it's so, so it must be so...


    125 Events in Prophetic Sequence from Now Forward!

    If you only read a single document not produced by your organization, this is that document! A loving God always warns His people before disaster strikes.(Just not in person, accurately or in a credible way) This is part of that warning! What follows is a largely complete list of prophecies God foretold in His Word.(Through my gift of prooftexting) Some events carry more detail to establish crucial basics of what lies ahead. A few footnotes are at the end. As referenced, take time to read them. Every tool we offer cannot say everything, (Or anything real actually) therefore only a limited number of scriptures are included where they are most helpful.  This is so readers who care can attempt their own pursuit of true understanding. Realize that symbolism, certain big mistranslations and mysterious sounding context make this task difficult. (And theologically and historically stupid) But the verses provided will permit you to learn enough to see the Church’s understanding was far from complete.(So far, in fact, it was badly mistaken) Consider reading the document for flow and general knowledge before looking up the scriptures, which every serious person would do. The later-numbered sermon transcripts that we have posted tell the much fuller story with extensive scriptural support. Events in red (#19-32, 59-70 and 86-88) are simultaneous. Their sequence could vary earlier or later within the day of occurrence. This list is CORRECT!"
     (Not even close)
    "Here is the general framework most of God’s people hold about prophecy and Christ’s Return… (or else)
    Here is what actually happens…" (Like all the previous actually happened)
    1) The book of Daniel is fully unsealed (Dan. 12:9)—“knowledge is increased” (vs. 4)—before the trial that “purges” and “makes white” God’s people (vs. 10 and 11:35). This unsealing did not come in Mr. Armstrong’s time. Major elements of impossible-to-dismiss prophetic meaning from chapters 7, 8, 9, 11 and 12 in Daniel were not known to the Church. They are now. These in turn open up many other areas of prophecy so that the increase of knowledge is not just from Daniel.
    2) God’s messenger then “prepares the way” (Mal. 3:1) before Christ comes from heaven to His entire spiritual Temple.
    3) Worsening—but deceptively so—world conditions, which are (already being) observed by the confused, frightened masses on Earth, invite a fraudulent “savior” to come “fix” the world and set up the “kingdom.”
    4) “Mockers” and “scoffers” rule in all corners, including everywhere among God’s people (II Pet. 2:3Jude 18). The result is that when there is still sufficient time to escape, most (but not all) cannot make themselves “take heed” (Luke 21:834Mark 13:33).
    5) Unexpectedly, and in spectacular, earth-rocking fashion, the biblical “Man of Sin” (II Thes. 2:3)—the same as the “Antichrist [who] shall come” (I John 2:18)—literally descends into Jerusalem, and upon the world, as “god.” He brings and immediately displays “ALL power, signs, and lying wonders” (II Thes. 2:9) starting 1,335 days before the true Christ descends into Jerusalem. This is the devil’s never-before-seen full power unleashed! Ponder this. God says this man will “devour” (Heb: eat), “tread down” (Heb: trample) and “break” (Heb: crush) the “whole earth” (Dan. 7:23). This counterfeit savior is visible worldwide (Zech. 5:6) and is the “snare” Christ warned of in Luke 21:34-36 that strikes the “whole earth” in one day. Also see Revelation 3:10. Paul calls this “the evil day” in Ephesians 6:13. This man is of the “little horn” and is the 7th head/resurrection of the Daniel 7 Roman fourth beast, as well as the “fierce king” of “dark sentences” and enormous power of Daniel 8:9-12,"
    ......... and 120 more meandering simplicities and burdenless easy yokes in Christ .

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    Almost-arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Habakkuk, Joshua, Thiel; the self-appointed, doubly blessed, end time witless witness, world renown Mayan authority, set-appointed criticizer of Catholicism, author of numerous irrelevant books on Clinton, Trump, Fatima and end times malarkey, the bitter disappointing "son" of Rod Meredith and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, has produced yet another mind numbing video for his 1,996 African "members."

    Given the high quality of "preaching" videos put out by numerous COG's, using standards Herbert Armstrong developed, one would think that God's most important end time leader would use some common sense when producing his own videos.

    From crooked bookcases as a back drop to doors with doorknobs next to his head, file cabinets, to sheer curtains with crooked lamps, God's newest self-appointed prophet films his "sermons" to his tiny personalty cult.

    The Church of God has produced many men over the decades that are actually good speakers, even if their topics are the stuff of theological nightmares, and then there is Bob Thiel and his sad videos.  His videos just seem to get worse and worse.  Just watch the first few minutes of the video above and you will be shaking your head.  How can ANYONE truly sit there and listen to this 1:20 minute atrocity?

    If this is is the face of the Church of God today, then Lord have mercy upon us all!

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    The Church of God has a long legacy of men, and even a few women, who appear claiming divine revelations from their creature gods.

    Now the Church of God's official Chief Pharisee on keeping the law, James Malm, has stated the time line of the end times.  By January 2019 the tribulation will be starting. Before that though, the Pope will be performing divine miracles in the Vatican by October of 2018.

    This is in direct conflict with Superfantabulous Dave Pack's scenario that the "man of sin" would arise from within the Church of God and perform abominations.
    I think it highly probable that Israel will go to war with Gaza and Hezbollah destroying the remaining power of Syria and bringing regime change to Syria; and the US coalition will attack the Revolutionary Guards in Iran.  
    The general falling away in the COG Groups (Mat 24:3-5, 2 Thess 2:3, 2 Ti 4, Jude) is also moving ahead, more on that after the UCG GCE conference.   
    If events do not slow down or pause, all signs now point to the setting up of the abomination to do miracles in the Vatican in October of 2018, with the tribulation beginning 75 days later.  
    Notice the catchphrase that the false prophets of Armstrongism always use, even though they claim what they are saying is true; words like "I think", "highly probable", "if." All of the lying buffoons of the the Church of God claim they have the inside track to just how things will pan out during the end times.  Every single one of them have turned out to be lairs.  None of them deserve to be trusted or believed, including James Malm.

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    Restored Church of God members are so superfantabulous that they will be worshipped by those of us that are heretics, those still in other COG's and those of the world,  when Dave's first Jesus returns for the first 1,000 years before he returns a second time for the millennium.  Isn't it great to be an RCG member?
    And by the way, just in case you wondered…And this is a bigger subject for another time…when that trial is over, you’re going to be the objects of worship. In the first phase of the Kingdom, while you’re still a human being…Jesus Christ is going to be worshipped and he’s a human being coming as the man called the Branch…they’re going to worship you. Does “worship” mean worship? Well, it’s the exact same word that says, in John 4, we “worship” God in spirit and truth, and every other place you read the word “worship”—which means we’re above angels. We’re a little below Elohiym. We’re above angels, because you do not worship angels, never mind those who are below angels. That should be pretty obvious.

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    Just how many Elijah's can the Church of God have in its midst?  Which one is the real one? How is one to know?  What about all of the other self-proclaimed "Elijah's" that have appeared in the church over the last 80 some years?  They are all dead, just like the biblical Elijah.

    We have Ron Weinland, Dave Pack, Gerad Flurry, Alton Billingsley, Bob Thiel and many others who have set themselves up as the "Elijah" to the Church of God.  They all claim they have a warning message to the world and yet no one seems to care what they say.

    Once again this week we had one of these men trying to "prove" he is Elijah by using COG UK's recently article on "Where is Elijah?"
    Where Is Elijah? 
    If Jesus is to return any time soon, then ‘Elijah’, according to some teachers, should be alive and kicking somewhere on earth… 
    John the Baptist reflected the life-style of the first Elijah—rough-hewn, godly, dwelling in the desert. He had the same message, to confront ungodliness, ‘…to turn many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God’ (v.16)—a mission he surely accomplished Matthew 3:5-6). A people prepared for the message of Jesus. 
    But ‘Elijah’ will also return ’…before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Jehovah’ Malachi: 4:5). That day—the great ‘Day of the Lord’—is ushered in by the returning Jesus who said ‘…I will come again’. Elijah’s message will be a call to repentance, a return by mankind to the true God—a call heard worldwide. John, in Revelation, speaks of ‘…my two witnesses’ (ch 11:3ff), and their mission does indeed ‘prepare the way of the Lord’. They reflect both the work of both Elijah [eg drought] and Moses [eg plagues]. 
    It will be an awesome time of tribulation upon those who continue unrepentant, unheeding of the call to turn to God. Their mission will end at the return of Jesus, when they will be glorified with Him, together with the rest of the ’firstfruits harvest’ (Revelation 11:3-12).
    Because there can only be ONE true Elijah in the COG it can only by default be one SPECIFIC person. That person is none of than our favorite, Almost-arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Habakkuk, Joshua, Thiel; the self-appointed, doubly blessed, end time witless witness, world renown Mayan authority, self-appointed criticizer of Catholicism, author of numerous irrelevant books on Clinton, Trump, Fatima and end times malarkey, the bitter disappointing "son" of Rod Meredith and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God.  WHO KNEW!!!!!!!!!

    Our favorite Bro, Elijah Thiel has this to say about himself:

    Although people like the discredited Ron Weinland have claimed to be ‘Elijah,’ neither of them are. 
    Yet, the Bible does show that there will be an ‘Elijah’ who is alive before Jesus returns and that it is likely that he will be one of the two witnesses. And as Jesus is likely to return within the next couple of decades, it is reasonable to consider that he must be alive today. 
    The problem is that just as many would not hear Elijah’s or John the Baptist’s messages, relatively few will pay much attention to the end time Elijah as well.
    Isn't it great to know that the deluded self-appointed false prophet is not only Elijah but that he is one of the two witless witnesses!  Glory Hallelujah!


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    "Wives, (Converted RCG women) you can be independent in this. (In RCG women with money to give Dave Pack can have a voice in the family but outside of money issues, not so much.) You have half the worth in whatever is there in your house. I'm officially telling all of you, read verses 17, 18, 19 and focus on it. Wives you have an independent voice. Legally you have half the funds. What are you going to do about it? "
    (An RCG man with a complaining wife not in RCG however...)
    "Husbands, your wife, "Well, my wife isn't in the church. She doesn't want me to do it." You know what? [starts raising his voice] Tell her, "You don't have a voice, woman."
    The Clarion Call
    Dave Pack
    Let's have a little talk about  the reality of male and female equality Bible or no Bible. Church or no Church.
    A member once approached me after services to tell me what her husband had announced to her.  She said, "He told me he was the King and over me because that is God's way and I am NOTHING." I knew her well enough to know she had more to say so I asked, "And YOU said...?"  I said, "Then that makes you King of NOTHING!" I knew that's what she really wanted to tell me. Good answer actually.
    The following facts are not ones in which your husband, your fundamentalist pastor, nor your literalist Church will rejoice in. In fact, they may ask you to quietly leave if you are going to believe this rather than the inspired, inerrant and historically accurate "word of God."
    "The primordial plan for both female and male fetuses in mammals is initially feminine.
    Contrary to some creation myths, in mammals, maleness arises from femaleness, not the other way round.
    Masculinisation results from organisational effects of fetal testosterone (and its derivatives), which in humans occurs during the second trimester of pregnancy.
    To be masculinised means that certain areas of the brain grow larger, while others remain smaller.
    These differences to some extend explain sexual behaviors and preferences even in humans"
    Dr. Alexander Thiele University of Newcastle upon Tyne Lecture 7: Social emotions -'the sexual brain'
    In reality it seems that FEMALE is the default position as human beings develop in the womb. Maleness comes after with the proper wash of hormones applied at just the right time and in just the right amounts. The implications for literalists are staggering and for women, liberating!
    In some cultures, young men are taught to pray "Blessed Art Thou O Lord our God, King of the Universe, who has not made me a woman." Mohammed is said to have stated, "When Eve was created, Satan rejoiced." Much if all of the orignal creation mythology's sole purpose is to depose any notion of "goddess" worship, which was an absolute fascination that women had the power to give birth and bring forth life etc, and replace it with a male patriarchy. The Genesis story is not so much how life came to be or that we all came from two humans, named Adam and Eve, as it is to send the message that women, who are the fault of everything, are to have babies painfully now and say "yes Lord" to their husbands. From the totally mythological tale of the fall of man by the disobedience of woman, much misery and ridicuoulously false roles have been demanded of them by men and in particular the Christian church.
    "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. FOR (the reason being) Adam was first formed and then Eve and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, was in the transgression." I Tim. 2:11-14
    So according to Paul, the literal truth of Eve's sin produces the literal idea that women are more easily deceived than men and prone to sin, and thus should be silent in church. Or as St. John Chrysostom, a fifth century church father noted, "The woman taught once and ruined everything. On this account...let her not teach." It seems wrong ideas of how things really came to be have very big consequences over a very long time!
    Paul goes on to say..."The head of every man is Christ; and the head of every woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God....for as much as he is in the image and glory of God, BUT ( as in , don't get the same idea about women) the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is NOT OF the woman, but the woman IS OF the man." I Cor. 11:3,7,9.
    No more literally untrue words could every have been spoken by a man about  the origins of men.
    Very simply put, Paul said that men are over women because women come from men as in the story of Adam and Eve no doubt.  Christ alone is over men and God alone is over Christ. So it's God > Christ > Man > Woman > pets and small animals. It is notable that it is here that Paul makes it plain, based on the creation of woman out of man mythology, that Men don't come from women at all and that women owe their physical existence to men too. I guess Paul and Dr. Alexander Thiele never actually met to discuss just how do males form in the womb. Like it or not guys, we come from out mom's literally and from the default fetal template of the female in time after we get our hormones in the womb. So men actually do come twice from females. Someone tell the Church!
    St Clement, father of the Roman Church denied women the right to even exercise as men. He felt rather it was more in keeping with scripture that they be confined to spinning, weaving and cooking. Of course he could barely bring himself to add "and, unless it was out of the need to bring children into the fold.
    St. Augustine, not the most balanced Church Father of the lot proclaimed that man only was made in God's image and not woman. But that's what Paul said too. He went on to note that men were quite complete without a woman, but that women could only be complete with a man. Man alone was self contained and complete alone. Once again, time has shown how untrue this all is, but the concept is still used by many churches and pastors to keep women in "their place" and fulfilling their "role".
    Other theologians and Church Father's went on to note that men were the spiritual aspect of God, while women were merely a symbol of the flesh and thus she is the temptress and weakener of men who fail to see what the Church points out.
    In the 16th Century, Clifford Alderman notes in a his book, A Cauldron of Witches, that an early Church report noted that "Woman is more carnal than man: there was a defect in the formation of the first woman, since she was formed with a BENT RIB. She is imperfect and always deceives." Now there is some hot scientific reasoning for you! Of course no one notes that if women are deceptive because of being made out of a bent rib, what is a man that he was made out of red dirt? Maybe that's why men are so dirty minded..:)
    Modern Christianity is still designed and used to annihilate the spirt of women. It's is still here to keep patriarchy in place and to defeat the matriarcy of former times. Women were mystical in those cultures as opposed to utilitarian in that of a patriarchy or man led society and religion. I believe I would much rather to have lived in a society where women were held high for their spirituality and creative abilities. As it is, we live in the age, not of Aquarius but of testosterone, where men rule badly, kill often and take the spoils from those who cannot oppose them. I like Rodney King's "Can't we all just get along" far more than those who bluster "Bring em on." But alas, tis not that way in our real world at this point.
    You have to love this observation by the great philosopher Rousseau.
    "As the conduct of a woman is subservient to the public opinion, her faith in matters of religion should , for that reason, be subject to authority. Every daughter ought to be of the same religion as her mother, and every wife to be the same religion as her husband; for though such religion should be false, that docility which induces the mother and daughter to submit to the order of nature, takes away, in the sight of God, the criminality of their error...they are not in a capacity to judge for themselves, they ought to abide by the decision of their fathers and husbands as confidently as that of the Church." Or as Paul would say, "if any woman has a question, let her ask her husband..."
    So when does the church grow up and face the facts of science, and not base silly and demeaning demands upon women on mythology and error? When does a church finally admit to errors in teachings that hurt people? Never from what I can see. Let's remember, the Church took 350 years to apologize for almost burning Galileo at the stake for informing them that the earth was not the center of the solar system with the sun revolving around it or around the Church for that matter. Yet that's about the right amount of time for Churches to come to their senses and stop demanding of people things based in falicies. At what point does ignorance stop oppression and pain?
    Only a relative few Christian women will have the confidence to step out of the box of fundamentalist Church control. They will suffer at the hands of ministers who quote Paul who frankly was misinformed as to how things really are in biology, endocrinology and genetics. Literal control over a woman by using allegorical or just plain wrong "facts" is wrong. It hurts the spirit and demeans the woman in a world where we better soon wake up to the fact that we all are one and the same.
    So sorry guys... yes, you with the useless nipples. Without a woman, you would not exist, and without a good sprinkling of hormones at just the right time after your conception, the female default position you started out as would keep you there or perhaps acting in ways that the Bible also goes on to condemn you for, mostly with death.
    Whether your pastor, church, tribe or friends like it, good science, truthfully so called, trumps sincere but ignorant Apostles, Priests, Popes and Kings. Dr. Thiele is correct.
    "Contrary to some creation myths, in mammals, maleness arises from femaleness, not the other way round."

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    Gerald Weston was well trained by his mentor (Rod Meredith) in fear mongering his flock.  He recently sent out a member letter on April 19 outraged over Cadbury's "Easter" controversy and how supposedly a couple in the UK had their foster kids taken from them for refusing to say the Easter Bunny was real.  Instead of being outraged at the homeless situation in Charlotte, or being outraged that low income families can't feed their kids or provide adequate housing, or that LCG members are struggling to survive financially because of all the money they are expected to send to HQ, or expressing outrage at how families are being ripped apart by LCG's draconian legalistic laws, he is upset over Candygate.

    Then after the usual screed about pagan Easter, he dumps on "lukewarm" LCG members.  LCG members should face the fact that they will NEVER be able to do anything right in the eyes of the church leadership.  They are too dumb, too lukewarm, and too Laodicean, at least in the eyes of the leadership.

    Brethren, the world is about to explode!  It is a dangerous mess!  We are being overwhelmed by the news.  No more of those handpicked  single "major" news stories of the day; now people can find instantaneous news from thousands of sources.  Much like LCG members can find instantaneous news about the corruption of the LCG leadership, of which, Weston is none too happy about.

    The time is short.  The end is near.  We have heard this mantra shouted out by Rod Meredith for 60 some years.  Not once in that entire time has he ever been right.
    Dear Members and Co-workers, our world is getting crazier with each passing day! We never know what new shock may greet us each morning! Journalists once strove to publish the one major news story for the day. Sometimes they really had to scramble to find one, and we would often comment, “This must be a slow news day.” Not anymore! Today it is a matter of which major story takes precedence over the others. Will there be a war with North Korea? Will the U.S. and Russia have an incident that sparks a major conflict between the two antagonists in Syria? Will war break out between Israel and its neighbors? Then there is the specter of a terrorist attack at any time and nearly anywhere. 
    Those who study the Bible should understand that we are truly living in the last days. The Apostle Paul warned us, “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come” (2 Timothy 3:1). What we see today is only the beginning. It will get much worse. We cannot know every twist and turn world events will take, but the Bible gives us the outline and the outcome. One troubling trend is that the very people of God will be lukewarm, neither hot nor cold at the time of the end (Revelation 3:14-19). 
    How strange! One would think that it would be just the opposite. People should become more zealous toward God and doing His will as they see end-time events descending upon them. Such is not the case.
    What can Weston expect when he, Meredith and the COG as a whole have lied to its membership for decades?   People are following God and are still zealous, just not in LCG or a COG.  That is a bitter pill for COG leaders to swallow.

    Of course, there is the big bad bogeyman Satan who is the cause of all of this.
    There is a real spirit being directing the course of this world (Ephesians 2:1-2). He is a master of distraction. He gives us every physical toy we could ever imagine. Television, once considered the greatest time waster, now competes with Facebook, Twitter, e-mail, Instagram and a host of other electronic devices and programs that vie for our attention. No technology is evil in itself, but taken together without exercising character to set proper priorities, people wear out before they get to those things that are important.
    LCG members and COG members as a whole are worn out because of the constant abuse levelled at them by the church leadership.  Legalism trumps grace every time.  The "rules" must be followed over showing love to one another.  Love and grace are four letter words that COG leaders despise.
    So what is important in your life? What is your passion? What demands the greatest devotion from you? Is it your hobby? Is it your family? Family is certainly important, but is it the most important? 
    Apparently many in the LCG are placing an emphasis on their families and doing things with them instead of taking that money and sending it in to Weston.  How dare they!  How can Jimmy Meredith spend thousands of dollars every year skiing, snorkelling, boating, and travelling to exotic locales when that money should go directly to Weston's church fund?  He has a message to get out Lil'Jimmy!  Get on board!!!
    At some point, we all come to the place where one question stands out above all else. Is there life after death? The Bible says there is. Does it not make sense to investigate the possibility? Hobbies, while of temporal value, will not get you there. The trappings of success, such as money and material possessions, cannot get you there, and you cannot take them with you beyond the grave. Even family is of no lasting value if you put family before God. Read Jesus’ own words for yourself:  “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate [love to a lesser degree by comparison] his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple” (Luke 14:26). Is there life after death, and what must I do to find it? 
    What will it take to stir each of us to take action and go all out to serve the living God? Jesus tells us, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together” (John 4:34-36).
    Living Church of God members are asking just how much Gerald Weston, Lil'Jimmy, Rod McNair and others will sacrifice for the work?  LCG members have never seen these guys or the leadership as whole set any example.  Instead, LCG members and employees have experienced this:

    My husband worked there for over 5 years and he never saw a bigger group of backbiters and cut-throats.
    Rod Meredith promotes an atmosphere where if you stab your co-worker in the back, but give him your version of the story 1st, they other guy gets pushed down the ladder and the bully gets exalted.
    Everyone is so insecure and selfish that they expend huge amounts of energy making sure that no one steals their piece of the pie. Working to make sure you get noticed before someone else takes credit for your work is a constant struggle.
    If one were to randomly pick ANY worldly work office it would be more harmonious. Typically the people you work with aren't on the same level of self-righteousness, arrogance or filled with as much selfish ambition as the leading men at LCG headquarters. 
    It truly is a "brood of vipers".
    All the vipers have their little pet projects that feed their egos. It's disgusting.
    It was hard being a member in LCG knowing what its headquarters was like. If the average member glimpsed a peek of the lies and other shady behavior that goes on their so frequently that it's become common place, they might think twice about sending in those tithes. 
    What Gerald Weston and the leadership of the Living Church of God needs to do is to get on their knees this coming sabbath in front of their congregations and ask for forgiveness on how abusive they have been to the members.  Then every single minister and church leader should fast to prove to the members just how sick and degenerate they have become spiritually and STOP making the membership fast for you! Sadly, this will never happen. Egotism and narcissism cannot allow these "men" to admit they have a weak side or are wrong.  Humility has no room in the ministry of the LCG.  If you want proof of that, just go up to your local minister this Sabbath and ask him if he is a humble man.  No LCG member should ever again fast for the leadership to get its act in gear.  They will always refuse to.  All you are doing is making yourself hungry.

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    Below is a recent comment by an LCG source recently.  The things said below are not new and are common in the LCG community.

    "He has built one of the finest families in the entire Work of God. He sets a superb example in all these ways, and at the same time has attained a spirit of humility, sacrifice and service rather than letting any of this go to his head". 

    Oh brother! Now I want to puke.

    I don't only think that Rod McNair isn't Christian. I'd go a step further than that. He's evil.

    He will lie, cheat or steal to gain more power.

    He is the epitome of a boot-licker which is why Meredith thinks he's so swell.

    He is suspicious and quick to over-react.

    He ALWAYS uses a sledge hammer instead of a fly swatter when it comes to disciplining members and he will do so for the flimsiest of reasons (sometimes for completely made-up reasons!).

    He commands respect and thinks it's owed to him and that he is responsible to do nothing to earn it.

    He refuses to admit when he is wrong.

    He corners wives in an effort to get them to turn on their husbands.

    He tells wives to keep journals of all their grievances against their husbands and then to share all those little secrets with him.

    He keeps files on anyone he feels isn't fully submitting to LCG (not to be confused with submitting to God) or anyone who dare have an opinion or anyone who asks questions or thinks for themselves.

    He is egotistical, not humble.

    He's never sacrifices a thing! He was born into a COG power family and has had everything handed to him on a silver platter.

    It's great that RCM thinks Rod's power hasn't gone to his head but that might be the most laughable of all the ignorant statements in that quote. I have never met a more power hungry, egotistical BULLY in all my life!

    Funny thing is, even ministers in LCG can't stand him and will say so behind his back. But until RCM dies they just bite their collective tongues.

    Rod McNair is a horrible human being and I wish with all my heart that I had never heard his name or had him in my life. He is an inflictor of pain and a total liar. 

    May God have mercy on his soul.

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