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Dave Pack: A Broken Brain

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A Broken Brain

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God has convinced himself that God is guiding him to teach “The Greatest Untold Story!” Series that began on November 14, 2015. For 577 messages, he has taught that he is found throughout the Bible and reminds the brethren weekly how pervasive his mentions are.

The dozens of biblical titles he claims only begin with being Joshua the High Priest, Elijah the Prophet, and the Seventh Angel of Revelation.

When you believe God is moving you to preach everything you do from the front of the Main Hall in the Hall of Administration, then every speculation, lie, and failure is merely part of the divine process for reaching the Kingdom of God.

Accountability is for suckers.

Until the brethren in The Restored Church of God recognize they do not attend "God's One True Church" and that David C. Pack has absolutely no authority over their path to salvation, they will choose to remain trapped despite their awareness that he is a false teacher, false apostle, and false prophet.

Insulating himself with cunning sycophants like Bradford SchleiferEdward Winkfield, and Carl Houk, the Pastor General has reinforced the walls of self-delusion and madness.

When you reach that elevated level of unmatched human excellence and cosmic importance, blasphemy and idolatry are inevitable. It also means your brain is broken in an awful way.



The psychiatric phenomena known as Jerusalem Syndrome has been thriving in Wadsworth since 2005 when David C. Pack first claimed to be an apostle and then Joshua the High Priest in 2009. By 2015, unveiling himself as Elijah the Prophet and That Prophet were not stretches.

The Jerusalem Post has an extensive article about the theological illness that has spread to Ohio. Since none of the Headquarters enablers attempted to stop the prophetic lunacy from taking hold, it has since thrived and expanded.

The Cambridge University Press reports on a study with some elements of Jerusalem Syndrome that should ring familiar to the brethren of The Restored Church of God.

Individuals from [Type 1, Subtype I] strongly identify with characters from the Old or New Testament or are convinced that they themselves are one of these characters. Their conviction reaches psychotic dimensions.

People who suffer from Jerusalem Syndrome in Israel typically recover without specific medical treatment. All those people need to return to a normal mental state is separation from biblical sites.

Treatment and Recovery
Type III does not usually involve visual or auditory hallucinations. …Their condition usually returns to normal within 5-7 days; in other words, a short-lived episode followed by complete recovery. …but recovery is quite often spontaneous and not necessarily due to the treatment. Experience has taught us that improvement is facilitated by, or dependent on, physically distancing the patient from Jerusalem and its holy places.

The problem with David C. Pack’s broken brain is that he lives and “works” in isolation within his own created Jerusalem. The Campus is the World Headquarters for the Work of God, where Jesus Christ will come to start the Kingdom of God on earth and to bless His chosen servant with exousia to preach to the entire world. Billions of people will hear and obey the voice of David C. Pack, and it will be glorious.

I bet Dave can almost taste that sweet vindication. It is so very close.

No wonder Dave cannot wait for the Kingdom to come and desperately needs something prophetic to manifest on Sivan 15 on June 11, 2025. He will get to prove to Gary, Dennis, and me that he was right all along, and billions of heathens better do what he says, or they could be tossed into the Lake of Fire.

That is a lot to give up by admitting God was not guiding you and that “The Greatest Untold Story!” Series was a pointless flop with no biblical significance that consumed a decade of members’ time. After building a multi-million dollar business on the singular idea that "We are the only ones who know the truth," acknowledging it was utterly false after ruining countless lives in the process would be an exquisite horror worth recounting by H.P. Lovecraft and Clive Barker.

Any sane person facing that kind of pure abject failure after decades of misguided devotion and self-delusion would find the miserable experience brain-breaking.

It is a good thing that David Passover is the real deal, and he will never need to face the stark reality of being so fundamentally wrong about his core beliefs. Not just religious beliefs but excruciatingly wrong about the very nature of who and what he is.



Despite having over 300 articles on exrcg.org, there are still jaw-dropping moments leaking from Headquarters that shock and baffle by David C. Pack’s nth-degree blasphemy and audacious lack in the fear of God.

Two instances illustrate the point.

During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 571)" on April 19, 2025, David C. Pack told the brethren that in Revelation 10:6, when the angel swore to God, he was speaking of David C. Pack and the end of his Series.



Part 571 – April 19, 2025
@ 10:34 In Revelation 10:6, when it says “there’s time no longer,” Christ [the angel] raises His right hand and sweared swears by God and everything God ever made in the universe, everything He ever made, that “there’s time no longer” after a man finishes making the Mystery of God clear. Now, nowhere in the Scriptures does God ever invoke such an absolute swearing [chuckles] on a moment and then tie it to after a Series ends. So, if you were I, [chuckles] y–you would you you would be very attentive to that.

Bible scholars should note that Revelation 10 is all about David C. Pack.

David C. Pack taught that Jesus Christ swore
to God the Father about David C. Pack.

Just in case anyone wonders if the Pastor General misspoke or was unfairly quoted out of context, he repeated the concept again a few weeks later.



Part 574 – May 3, 2025
@ 01:03:01 There are only two places where Christ stands and swears. Once at the end of this Series. The end of this Series. He swears at the after in the days of the voice of the Seventh Messenger, when when the Mystery of God is finished, he he will he he’s about to sound and the Mystery of God is finished. And God swears there’s time no longer after that happened. It’s an absolute promise by the same Jesus Christ, who’s swearing there, that once it does start, there are three and a half years from a Pentecost, where there’s time no longer…

During this message, David C. Pack taught that the Kingdom of God would arrive on June 1, 2025. He was so convicted about Pentecost that he was willing to place God's name and an oath by Jesus Christ on that certainty.

@ 1:12:16 And if it’s the year it happens and doesn’t happen, you’ll never hear me say it’s other than Pentecost.

After exploiting God’s name for leverage, only a person with a truly broken brain would recant this one week later. The severe gravity of this act escapes David C. Pack.

Part 575 – May 10, 2025
@13:13 But the day is not May 31st [Pentecost begins at sunset], which is what we’re waiting for, becomes May 21st [Iyar 24]. And we’d have to ask, “Wow, real simplicity in Christ.”

David C. Pack casually strolls into another religious danger zone without a care in the world. May God have mercy on him.



Despite being proven wrong since August 2013, David C. Pack fancies himself as the intermediary steward between God the Father and Jesus Christ. Likening himself to John the Baptist, Dave’s words usher the arrival of the Kingdom of God just around the corner. Time is running out to send in your money, so act fast before the doors are shut and you are left missing out.

He may be Patient Zero of Jerusalem Syndrome in Ohio, but the All-Believing Zealots inside RCG cultivate the toxic belief that their Pastor General is preaching the truth inspired directly by God when all tangible evidence concludes the opposite.

To further compound the risk of eternal consequences, David C. Pack claims God’s Spirit is the inspiration of his ever-changing prophetic doctrines, even when those “proofs” are repeatedly proven false.

David C. Pack makes God and Jesus Christ liars.

He preached the Kingdom of God would begin on Abib 1, 2025.

Part 559 – February 22, 2025
@ 1:11:18 Nobody's gonna see Abib 1 come and say, "I got this all figured out." I've been studying the Bible a long time, and it took a long time to figure it out. Nobody’s gonna figure out without the Holy Spirit what all eleven disciples combined couldn’t figure out.

He preached the Kingdom of God would begin on Passover 2025.

Part 564 – March 22, 2025
@ 1:01:34 I have to be smart enough that God's Spirit can work through me. I have to have a certain amount of talent, but it's His Spirit that showed me things.

Part 565 – March 22, 2025
@ 10:57 Now, brethren, I get these thoughts, and, again, it's simply God's Spirit working with me.

He preached the Kingdom of God would begin on Iyar 24, 2025.

Part 575 – May 10, 2025
@ 01:42 Now, I don’t know if I’ve ever explained it quite this way, but the learning process is for me is just try to follow where the still small voice of God’s Spirit leads. This sermon is the result.

He preached the Kingdom of God will arrive on Sivan 15, which is June 11, 2025.

Part 577 – May 24, 2025
@ 04:48 But, again brethren, I I I’m up here trying to listen to the still, small voice of God’s Spirit. I can go to four or five different verses that say that’s how He works with His with His leading ministers, apostles, and prophets on matters of truth.

David C. Pack is not a leading minister of Jesus Christ. He is not an apostle and he is not a prophet. The words from his lips are not matters of truth. History proves this.

RCG members who read this while still paying his salary should consider their ways. They are choosing to support a proven hypocritical blaspheming liar, false apostle, false prophet, false teacher, and human idol.

The Restored Church of God is not "God's One True Church," and Pastor General David C. Pack does not speak the truth with God's authority but instead continues to blaspheme the Holy Spirit with impunity.

His brain is broken. His brain is filthy. Flee from The Restored Church of God before you become infected by the same condition. For some sitting beside you, it is already too late.

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Marc Cebrian


David C. Pack’s Blacker Kettle

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David C. Pack’s Blacker Kettle

What David C. Pack is doing in The Restored Church of God is turning more bleak, and the brethren would do well to start paying attention.

The Pastor General is determined to prove to the world that God’s Spirit is working directly with him, providing special hidden knowledge that must be haphazardly rushed out before Jesus Christ can return.

Can you imagine trying to work with someone for ten years and they still keep getting it wrong? Talk about an exercise in perpetual frustration.

If you were attending The Restored Church of God and happened to be locked in a time loop vacuum from April 26 to May 3, 2025, you would have been fully anticipating the arrival of the Kingdom of God today at dawn because during “The Greatest Untold Story!” Parts 573-575, Pastor General David C. Pack gave all the assurances it would come on Pentecost. In fact, proving it was just so darn easy.

Part 573 – May 3, 2025
@ 02:19 But proving it’s Pentecost is falling over backwards without even being pushed. I mean, it’s just that easy.

@ 44:43 …nowhere does God say, “It’s Pentecost.” But He duddn’t have to. He says it in so many ways it’s it’s [chuckles] it’s almost silly to say, “You’ve got to tell me it’s Pentecost.”

Part 574 – May 3, 2025
@ 51:59 Pentecost 2025 is the only date that cannot tarry.

David C. Pack is so spectacularly incompetent that he is incapable of following the laws of physics. Even "falling over backward" is a monumental challenge too daunting to be done correctly despite the proclaimed ease of such a maneuver.

David C. Pack
Failing at Easy Because Easy is Just Too Hard™

Despite his grandiose theological claims, David C. Pack is just a man and is subject to the psychological functions of the human brain. His brain may be utterly broken, affording him the self-permission to speak with ridiculous audacity, but his psyche has an understanding of what he really is.

David C. Pack’s personal psychological defense mechanisms occasionally surface during sermons, primarily when he attacks the nature of others that resides in himself.

Criticizing the behaviors of others that you hate within yourself is known as “The Pot Calling the Kettle Black.”





During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 466)” on September 7, 2023, David C. Pack leveled substantial refutations against Gerald Flurry of the Philadelphia Church of God, even calling him a lunatic. While handing out disgusted proclamations for Flurry, Dave was preaching that the Kingdom of God would arrive on The Feast of Trumpets. In 2023.

Dave also capitalized on his sermon time to elevate himself as the Messenger of the Covenant and the Star Out of Jacob. The “Kettle Black” article documented the jaw-dropping blindness.

Flash forward to “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 577)” on May 24, 2025. PCG’s Pastor General escaped the deluge of ironic ire, but the Jewish scholars were taken to task.

Part 577 – May 24, 2025
@ 08:46 But the Jews saying that Exodus 19:1 is the New Moon almost made me doubt it. Well, I did more research to see where they came up with it, and it is really bad.

RCG’s resident false apostle is supremely insecure and craves attention like an 18-year-old Instagram influencer. Since his neurons fire along the same pathways as us all, he is a prisoner of his own psychology and has no control over how his psychosis manifests.

The Pot Calling the Kettle Black
A proverbial idiom from Thomas Shelton’s 1620 translation of Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra’s “History of Don Quixote.” The phrase identifies a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault that the accuser shares. Some resources claim this is an example of psychological projection.

Psychological Projection
As a defense mechanism, it helps protect the ego from anxiety-provoking thoughts or feelings. By attributing these unwanted aspects to someone or something else, the individual distances themselves from what they find unacceptable within themselves. This process helps reduce internal conflict and preserve a more favorable self-image.

Individuals attribute their own undesirable feelings, thoughts, or motives onto others. This process allows individuals to cope with their own insecurities by perceiving them in others instead.

David C. Pack is coping so hard during Part 577.

Spoiler Alert:
God has a sense of humor and is a fan of irony.



The Pastor General has a love/hate relationship with the Jewish people. He pivots from praising them for being the “oracles of God” to calling them Remphan-worshiping idolaters who killed Stephen for attacking their love of Christmas trees. Yes, he really said that.

Each highlighted point is precisely what David C. Pack does himself, but cannot see it. Read the highlights if you want to understand the broken mind of a self-delusional false apostle brimming over with self-righteous superiority.

Part 577 – May 24, 2025
@ 08:56 In fact, they actually have a false motive. Their goal is to put Pentecost on the 6th of Sivan every year. And so they they literally force the story of Exodus 19 to say that Pentecost comes on the 6th through a series of wild inventions. They're just inventions. But they're only made possible if you declare that to be Sivan 1 when Israel arrived at Sinai. You hafta do that. Then, you have to twist Moses' journeyings up and down the mountain and what happened to get to the 6th for the privilege of the Jews never, ever, ever keeping Pentecost [chuckles] on the right date. So, when when you when you when you pervert the story, I'm not saying they were they were corrupt to arrive at a perverted date for Pentecost. It makes me wonder if your understanding of Exodus 19:1 being a New Moon instead of the middle of the month is its own perversion that leads to to a worsening of the problem. So that was just suspicions. Well, after more time studying it, believe me, they are wrong. And you will not doubt it. You will not doubt it.

Dave was not done warming the backside of the Jewish scholars behind the woodshed. The exquisite blindness is almost divine as Dave acknowledges the blindness of others in 3…2…1…

@ 43:46 Now, I don’t know. I can't explain why the Jews don't see it, except there's a veil on their heads.They can look right at a series of miracles for years and say, “Kill the man who does that.” That’s the same mind. Yet, they’ll go on to be amazing people.

For the third whooping session, Dave took issue with how the Jewish scholars interpreted Ezra 3:8-10’s timing of the Temple being built.

@ 1:11:48 So, the Jews will tell you it was the third day. And you go read their their explanation for why it was the third day ‘cause it duddn’t say there. And I’ll be I’ll be I’ll be generous to their description. This–I’m gonna give them the I’ma put the best face on their description I can put on. This is the kindest I can be. It’s gobbledygook. That’s over, eh–I mean, it wuddn’t that good. They just invent a date.

Wow. Just…wow.

The Black Kettle Answers The Pot
The kindest I can be to David C. Pack is that he has been teaching gobbledygook for over 577 Parts. He just invents dates for the return of Jesus Christ and the arrival of the Kingdom of God. He provides his private interpretations of the Bible because he inserts what it duddn’t say there. He has false motives for preaching “The Greatest Untold Story!” which serves as a continuous self-focused platform to elevate himself. He literally forces the story of the Bible to fit whatever current narrative he desires through a series of wild inventions. They’re just inventions. He twists the verses to say what he wants, perverting the story of the Gospel into a corrupt present truth that is quickly abandoned despite claiming inspiration from the Holy Spirit. Believing he is David Passover, Elijah the Prophet, Joshua the High Priest, the Seventh Angel, the Branch, That Prophet, the Goodman of the House, the Messenger of the Covenant, and many others is its own perversion that leads to a worsening of the problem. His blasphemy against God’s Holy Spirit has reached astounding levels. Anyone in RCG studying their Bibles would know. Believe me, Dave is wrong. David C. Pack cannot see what he is, and his blindness is so complete and profound that he must have a veil on his head.

Luke 6:39
…Can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall into the ditch?



Marc Cebrian

See: David C. Pack’s Blacker Kettle

Crackpot Prophet Commands Tithing While Prominent Evangelist Admits Commanded Tithing Is Wrong

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The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel and his sidekick Steve Dupuie are back once again, lying to Continuing Church of God followers that tithing is a New Covenant command. This kind of convoluted reasoning comes from people entrenched in the law and the Old Covenant, and who do not recognize what was accomplished by Jesus with the New Covenant. Following the law brings comfort and stability to those weak and unable to think for themselves. The need to teach others what and how to believe is a powerful drug that the die-hard Armstrongists wallow in and so they will lie to followers day in and day out giving them all kinds of lists and things to do to make the god they claim to follow like them and given a "get out of jail pass" into the kingdom. Fear and guilt are the two main tools of control COG leaders have over members. It is time to break free from those shackles.

You need to throw away every book, booklet, article, and video made by any Armstrongite minister or church leader telling you that tithing is commanded. They are liars if they do.

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The prominent African-American Creflo Dollar has admitted his tithing requirements were wrong. Those tithes bought him jet planes, fancy homes, etc., with which he has been widely mocked.

Listening to him below, he admits he woke up to the freedom of God's grace instead of being under the Mosaic covenants. 

The concepts he brings across are the same revelation that the Worldwide Church of God came to understand about tithing. It is not commanded in the New Covenant under grace. People give because they understand they are blessed by God. Tithing was used as a tool of guilt and fear in the church.

Dollar says: Religion is sustained by two factors: fear and guilt.




Challenging popular Evangelical belief, controversial televangelist Creflo Dollar, one of America's most flamboyant proponents of the prosperity gospel, has renounced tithing and all his previous teachings on the subject as "not correct."

He also urged his followers to "throw away every book, every tape and every video I ever did on the subject of tithing" but says he will not apologize for his error. 
 
In a Sunday sermon billed "The Great Misunderstanding," the founder and senior pastor of the nearly 30,000-member World Changers Church International headquartered in College Park, Georgia, said he is aware that his declaration will cause him to lose friends and invitations to speak at other churches. 
 
However, he said he is convinced, after studying Romans 6:14, that tithing is an Old Testament concept that has been retired in the dispensation of grace in which Christians should now be living.
"I want to start off by saying that I'm still growing, and the teachings that I've shared in times past on the subject of tithing were not correct," Dollar began in his June 26 sermon.
 
"And today, I stand in humility to correct some things that I've taught for years and believed for years but could never understand it clearly because I had not yet been confronted with the Gospel of grace, which has made the difference." 
 
"I won't apologize because if it wasn't for me going down that route, I wouldn't have ended up where I am now," he continued. "But I will say that I have no shame at all at saying to you, throw away every book, every tape and every video I ever did on the subject of tithing unless it lines up with this."Televangelist Creflo Dollar says teachings on tithing ‘not correct’ but won’t apologize to followers

It is interesting reading the comments tied in with the video above by people who want to continue to live under the bondage of tithing and the law. Just like many in Armstrongism, tithing is the one thing that the church has brainwashed members into believing they are commanded to do.  Tithing makes the COG merry-go-round function. Without this lie funding their so-called ministries would not be around today.


Updated 6/2/25


The Didache: Church of God International and Armstrongism

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The Didache According to CGI


As we have pointed out numerous times over the last decade plus, the Armstrongist historical and Scriptural narrative about how the vast majority of Christians came to observe Sunday as their day of worship does NOT fit the evidence available to us. Generally speaking, Herbert Armstrong and his followers have completely ignored this evidence; because it so clearly contradicts the narrative which they have created. Hence, imagine my surprise when the Church of God International (CGI) recently published an article by one of their ministers addressing the existence of an early Church document known as The Didache.

In an article for the latest edition of CGI's The International News, Horane Smith asked, "Does the Didache Support the Eucharist and the Sunday ‘Lord’s Day’?" The author began with a brief background of the document itself. He acknowledged that the writing belongs to the First or Second Century but went on to point out that it was eventually excluded from inclusion in the Christian canon of the Bible. Next, Pastor Smith shifted his attention to placing the document within the context of the Armstrongist view of early Christianity.

He wrote: Historians and Bible scholars generally agree that the primitive church of the first century was Hebraic in nature regarding its doctrines and practices. If the Didache was written in the first century, then in all probability, much of what it was conveying would be from a Hebraic perspective. The document has a lot of biblical quotations. And even if it was written in the second century, chances were some of those Hebraic practices would be followed as Christianity and Judaism didn’t part ways until after the Bar Kochba Revolt in 135 CE under the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

To those of us who are familiar with the history of the early Church, a number of problems with this paragraph will be immediately apparent. First, historians and scholars are generally agreed that the first decade of the Church's existence was decidedly Jewish in character. After all, the original disciples of Christ were ALL Jewish! Even so, the book of Acts informs us that the Church eventually began to expand into Gentile lands beyond Judaea. Then, about the middle of the First Century, the early Church was forced to confront the issue of whether or not Gentiles would be required to observe the tenets of God's covenant with Israel (Torah). According to the book of Acts, a great council of the Church was held at Jerusalem to settle the matter. The fifteenth chapter of that book informs us that the council decided NOT to require Gentile Christians to follow the commandments of Torah.

Moreover, Pastor Smith's statement that "Christianity and Judaism didn’t part ways until after the Bar Kochba Revolt in 135 CE under the Roman Emperor Hadrian" is blatantly inaccurate! For some reason(s), Horane Smith completely ignored the events of the year 70 CE (when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple). In other words, to suggest that the great council at Jerusalem and the Roman war of annihilation against the Jews didn't constitute a parting of the ways for Jews and Christians seems naive at best or downright deceptive at worst! Hence, the more prudent conclusion about the role of the Bar Kochba Revolt in 135 CE would be to say that this event reinforced a parting of the ways between Judaism and Christianity that had happened many decades before it.

Indeed, concerning the lasting legacy of 70 CE, a History Tools article titled The Destruction of Jerusalem: Inside the Brutal Roman Siege of 70 AD offered this assessment of that event:


The fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD marked a decisive turning point in Jewish history with profound and lasting consequences:

End of the Second Temple Period: The destruction of the Temple permanently ended the system of priestly rule and ritual sacrifice that had defined Judaism for a millennium. Rabbinical Judaism emerged to fill the void, emphasizing synagogues, scripture study and religious law.

Rise of the Diaspora: The Great Revolt accelerated the growth of the Jewish Diaspora across the Mediterranean and beyond. Millions of Jews would face centuries of persecution, massacres and oppression as a stateless minority, prefiguring later calamities like the expulsions and pogroms of the Middle Ages.

Reshaping of Judea: The Romans annexed Judea as an imperial province and initiated a crackdown on Jewish institutions. Much Jewish-owned land was confiscated, the Sanhedrin was abolished, and the Temple tax was diverted to rebuilding a pagan shrine in Rome. The very name Judea was erased when the Emperor Hadrian crushed another Jewish revolt and renamed the region Syria Palaestina in 135 AD.

Anti-Semitic Propaganda: Roman propaganda used the Jewish defeat to promote negative stereotypes of Jews as treacherous, fanatical and misanthropic. The Arch of Titus, still standing in Rome, depicts the sacking of Jerusalem and Jews as vanquished slaves paraded in a triumphal procession. These images would feed anti-Semitic tropes about Jewish subversion and greed that persisted for centuries.

Jewish-Christian Schism: The flight of the Judeo-Christian community before the siege, along with the elevation of Gentile converts and the repudiation of the Mosaic Law, marked a decisive break between Judaism and Christianity. The New Testament authors‘ vilification of Pharisees and blame of Jews for killing Christ inflamed theological hatred. Jews came to view Christians as heretical traitors; Christians came to see Jews as accursed Christ-killers.

Moreover, a number of other early Christian writings affirm this history. In The Epistle of Barnabas (80-120 CE), we read: He says to them, "Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure." Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens. Likewise, in his Epistle to the Magnesians, Ignatius of Antioch (35-108 CE) wrote: Let us not, therefore, be insensible to His kindness. For were He to reward us according to our works, we should cease to be. Therefore, having become His disciples, let us learn to live according to the principles of Christianity. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, is not of God. Lay aside, therefore, the evil, the old, the sour leaven, and be changed into the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be salted in Him, lest any one among you should be corrupted, since by your savour you shall be convicted. It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity, that so every tongue which believes might be gathered together to God.

In his Epistle to the Philadelphians, Ignatius had this to say about the Eucharist: Take heed, then, to have but one Eucharist. For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup to show forth the unity of His blood; one altar; as there is one bishop, along with the presbytery and deacons, my fellow-servants: that so, whatsoever you do, you may do it according to the will of God. Likewise, in his First Apology , Justin Martyr (100-165 CE) had this to say about the Eucharist: And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, "This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;" and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, "This is My blood;" and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.

Interestingly, Justin's First Apology also establishes that Sunday observance was a well-established tradition among Christians by the middle of the Second Century. He wrote: And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons...But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Thus, we have established that Christianity's estrangement from Judaism was a fact of the latter half of the First Century, not the Second. As a consequence of this historic fact, we know that the scholarly window for the authorship of The Didache (50-120 CE) did NOT correspond to a period of Christian history which could be characterized as "Hebraic in nature." This is critical in refuting Horane Smith's interpretation of The Didache's mention of the Eucharist and Lord's Day.

Hence, the statement which has been translated into English as, But on the Lord's day, after that you have assembled together, break bread and give thanks, having in addition confessed your sins, that your sacrifice may be pure, must be understood in this historical context. Moreover, its context within the sentence makes it analogous to other mentions of the "Lord's Day" (including the one in Revelation 1:10).

Likewise, The Didache's statement about the Eucharist is subject to the same considerations. We read there: But concerning the Eucharist, after this fashion give you thanks. First, concerning the cup. We thank you, our Father, for the holy vine, David your Son, which you have made known unto us through Jesus Christ your Son; to you be the glory for ever. And concerning the broken bread. We thank you, our Father, for the life and knowledge which you have made known unto us through Jesus your Son; to you be the glory for ever. As this broken bread was once scattered on the mountains, and after it had been brought together became one, so may your Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth unto your kingdom; for thine is the glory, and the power, through Jesus Christ, for ever. And let none eat or drink of your Eucharist but such as have been baptized into the name of the Lord, for of a truth the Lord hath said concerning this, Give not that which is holy unto dogs. Moreover, while this characterization of the Eucharist is different from that which is portrayed in the Synoptic Gospels and Paul's letter to the saints at Corinth, it is certainly consistent with John's characterization of those symbols (see John 6:22-58 and 15:1-8).

Thus, our exploration of the available sources stands in stark contrast to the conclusions which Pastor Smith reached in his article. He wrote: How should we see the Didache then as it relates to these two modern-day teachings—the Lord’s Day and the Eucharist? The evidence is clear that it cannot be taken for granted that it’s an all-clear-cut proposition that the Didache indicates that the concept of the Lord’s Day being Sunday came as early as the first century. First, no one can say for certain that the Didache is a first-century document, and second, the insertion of the word “day” to read Lord’s Day robs the phrase of authenticity or accurate translation, because “On the Lords of the Lords,” the literal translation of the phrase, seems to have no link with a day, or a day of worship for that matter. For this researcher, the evidence suggest that The Didache provides clear evidence that the traditional view of the Lord's Day (Sunday observance) and the Eucharist began in the First Century, NOT later! What do you think?

 Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix

LCG Asserting That Former WCG Members are "Returing to the faith"

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Gerald Weston wants to give the impression that there are a lot of former Worldwide Church of God members returning "to the faith". Which "faith" is that?  Traditional Christianity? 1st Century Christianity? Other Church of God movements? To Theilism? Traditional Armstrongism?

Former church members who never really abandoned Armstrongist teachings are those minuscule numbers that may be returning. Many left WCG searching for the one true church and became wanderers in a sea of church splinters, filled with self-appointed men thumping their puny little chests about how great they are. Those wanderers then discovered that none of the groups really captured the lost fantasy they still held up as the standard.  So, they dug out old literature, watched online videos of HWA sermons, and kept flipping the pages of worn-out color-coded Bibles with a booklet next to it that claimed to PROVE how things were supposed to be. After many years of this lonely lifestyle and an occasional undercover visit to a COG Feast site, a few have returned to LCG and other COG groups seeking missing fellowship. That doesn't last long till they discover the same old crap that destroyed the Worldwide Church of God still infects the current COG movement. Soon, they will leave again and become stay-at-home true believers.

The nineteen men on our Council of Elders gathered this week for three days of deliberations. The first day was mostly devoted to updates from the men regarding their areas of responsibilities, and the reports were overall very encouraging. One trend we notice is that people with a past Worldwide Church of God association are returning to the faith after being away from it for several decades. We are also seeing people who never had such association coming along and progressing toward baptism. We had lively discussions on how better to reach the world with the message of the Gospel and with a warning of where our world is heading. Much focus was on how to broaden our appeal to a larger demographic and how to cut through the clutter of information available today, while realizing that our message will be rejected by the majority, just as was the message of the prophets of old. Some very interesting ideas were presented, and I am truly grateful to have these men of wide experience to give good counsel going forward. Thank you for all your prayers regarding these meetings. Due to the time-consuming nature of these council meetings, there will be no video update this week.
—Gerald E. Weston

British Israelism Debunked: Matt Baker

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I grew up in the Worldwide Church of God cult, founded by Herbert W. Armstrong. In this video, I discuss one of the cult's main beliefs - British Israelism - and why it is wrong. Chart & Narration: Matt Baker https://usefulcharts.com/

Dave Pack's Latest Lie...It's June 11 and he is Elijah!

UCG Trying To Determine If True Christians Can Use Beef Tallow

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Why do Church of God leaders have to continually stick their noses into what church members do? They have no excuse for doing so, and that is why they have to constantly trot out submission to church government. Keep the members cowering in fear of losing their salvation, and church leaders and church councils can decree all kinds of idiotic nonsense like the use of beef tallow and British Israelism.

Unfortunately, this topic probably came up because some church member who had no discernment skills felt they had to ask a minister if they could use it. Church members are not encouraged to use their own wisdom and discernment in making decisions on their own. Sadly, this has been ingrained in COG culture for decades.

Now, we have those fun boys in Cincinnati, who recently unceremoniously kicked Rick Shabi to the curb, feeling they have to weigh in on various topics that most members couldn't care less about.

Empowering members to think for themselves is a dangerous predicament for church leaders.


Doctrine Committee (DC)—Mario Seiglie

Mr. Seiglie presented the following items that have been assigned to DC and their status:

    • DC has completed a question-and-answer topic on the use of beef tallow. This subject was researched, sent to the COE for edits or comments, and then sent to the Media and Communications Department to be used as a PCD letter.
    • The Prophecy Advisory Committee (PAC) has completed its research on the topic of carrying guns at work and having leadership responsibilities at Church services, such as leading songs and speaking. The DC is now reviewing this. 
    • New Project: A study paper on the “Eighth Day/Last Great Day.” The paper will be presented for discussion during these May meetings.
    • The PAC is reviewing a new project concerning the United States and Great Britain in Bible prophecy.
    • DC is discussing questions that were submitted by MMS concerning the timing of the Night To Be Much Observed meal.

Mr. Seiglie then opened the floor for any comments or questions.

Members of the DC: Jorge de Campos, John Elliott, Mario Seiglie (chair) and Rex Sexton.



Pondering the Armstrongist Torah Redo: The Confessions of a Former Festival Advisor

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Staircase to the Southern Gate of the Second Temple (Fair Use)

 

Pondering the Armstrongist Torah Redo

The Confessions of a Former Festival Advisor

By Scout

לָשׂוּם אֶת שְׁמוֹ שָׁם (Hebrew, “to place his name”)

 

At one time, I was the Festival Advisor for the small WCG congregation I used to attend.  I was a part of the regime.  It is now high time for me to do penance.  This is the time of year when many of the little apocalyptic Millerite denominations that cascaded from the collapse of Armstrongism will encourage members to start festival planning.  So, it is the season.  In this writing, I refer to the Feast of Tabernacles (FOT or Sukkoth) because it illustrates some of the issues with the way that Armstrongism re-implemented the Torah in a new rendition. 

The History of Re-imagining the Torah

I will first discuss Rabbinic Judaism. I believe this is an important preface because I think many Armstrongists view the observance of the Torah as what happens in their local Jewish Congregation.  The Jews keep all the Holy Days locally.  But that was forced by the Destruction of the Temple in 70 AD during the Great Tribulation. 

The Torah is bound to a gathering place for worship.  The place was a tabernacle in the wilderness and then it became the First Temple, then the Second Temple.  The watershed event in the history of Torah observance was the loss of the Second Temple to Roman destruction in 70 AD, well after the introduction of the New Covenant.   The Judaic response to this truncation was to repackage the Torah sans Temple for local synagogue praxis.  This was inaugurated by prominent Pharisee Yohanan ben Zakkai (lived circa 1-80 AD; there are various spellings of his name) who had the endorsement of the Roman conquerors, particularly Vespasian.  Ben Zakkai had credibility because he and his faction were not seen by the Romans as a part of the Jewish Revolt.  Ben Zakkai assembled the Bet Din in Jamnia, a city to the west of Jerusalem on the Mediterranean coast and they repackaged the Torah to function without a Temple for synagogue liturgy.  One of Ben Zakkai’s guiding principles was that “deeds of love” had replaced sacrifices. 

Then, for Rabbinic Judaism, there is the issue of God having placed his name at the now destroyed Second Temple.  The placing of God’s name at a particular location is referred to by scholars as “the centralizing formula.”  According to researcher Zvi Koenigsberg the rabbis noted that the locations (called “high places”) varied in the time prior to the Temple and saw that as a principle that permitted multiple locations to be chosen. 

This collection of events, briefly stated, is the source of Rabbinic Judaism that most North American Gentiles are familiar with. A further sidebar issue is whether in the formation of Armstrongism the praxis of Rabbinic Judaism was copied, explicitly or implicitly, or if a separate but similar repackaging of the Torah sans Temple occurred.  I will not seek to address that issue in this writing.  What is known is that how God placed his name on the worship location to which the Torah is bound was of a different character among Armstrongists than what is depicted in the Bible.  The Bible asserts a high revelation in which God himself spoke the place where his name would dwell.  In Armstrongism, there was a low revelation in which HWA saw that circumstances were pointing to Big Sandy (also referred to as Gladewater) as the place where God’s name would dwell and this provided a valid location for Sukkoth observance.  The former revelation is documented in the Bible and the latter is documented in Armstrongist literature and, if it is credible at all, has only denominational scope. 

In both Rabbinic Judaism and Armstrongism, the Torah was uncoupled from the Temple without a precise Biblical model that I can discern to support this action.  Scripture does not anticipate the need to reassign the placing of God’s name.  The leaders of the Bet Din sat in Moses’ Seat but how did that authority extend to this uncoupling?  And where is the Biblical authority for Armstrongists to tamper with the placement of God’s name?  These are questions that need answers from those who would perpetuate Torah observance without the Temple.  The uncoupling of the Torah from the Temple seems to be a case that is yet to be built.

The Problem of the Temple-centric Torah

The Armstrongist rendition of the Torah fails the jot-and-tittle test (Matthew 5:18).  When Jesus made that well-known jot-and-tittle statement, he was referring to the full law as delivered in the Pentateuch.  This was a practice that was Temple-centric.  The FOT involved Temple sacrifices which became no longer binding under the New Covenant after the sacrifice of Jesus, but the Torah also prescribed that this was one of three occasions when the Israelite males were to come before God for worship at the location where he placed his name and this requirement would not have been abrogated by the sacrifice of Jesus.   And God placed his name at the Temple in Jerusalem.  So, if you believe the Torah is still binding on Christians, the sacrifices became passé under the New Covenant but the command to appear at the right place did not.  So, a big jot passed from the law in the Torah sans Temple repackaging by Armstrongism. 

The Temple-centric Torah still exists.  It lies fallow in everyone’s Bible.  Nobody can fully observe the Torah because the Temple is gone and has never been rebuilt.  And the Temple in Jerusalem was the place that God placed his name and this continued until 70 AD and that designation was never rescinded.  In fact, God stated the following in 2 Chronicles 7:16 regarding the placement of his name: “For now I have chosen and consecrated this house so that my name may be there forever; my eyes and my heart will be there for all time.”  In these prophetic words, God apparently did not anticipate placing his name in Big Sandy, Texas or Squaw Valley, California.

I cannot find any place in scripture where the placement of God’s name in Jerusalem is rescinded.  2 Chronicles 7:16, quoted above, refers to the First Temple.  God abandoned that Temple (Ezekiel 10:18) and it was destroyed by the Babylonians.  But God’s name was still placed there even though God’s presence was not there and there was no physical structure.  We know this name placement had continuity because Darius stated the following concerning the proposed Second Temple (Ezra 6:12): “And the God that hath caused his name to dwell there destroy all kings and people, that shall put to their hand to alter and to destroy this house of God which is at Jerusalem.”   The continuity of the name placement extends into the New Heavens and New Earth because in Rev. 21:22 it states that there will be a New Jerusalem and God the Father and God the Son will be the Temple in that city.  A city that is eternal.  The placement of the name in Jerusalem survived national upheavals, destructions, captivities, loss of physical structure but it will continue into perpetuity.  Given this history and prophesied future, it is staggering that some believe that God would place his name at Wisconsin Dells or Tucson. 

The Temple Returns

In 1 Chronicles 7:16 quoted above, did God disclose that he could not really tell the future?  Did he not foresee the destruction of the first Temple or the Second Temple?  God actually creates reality so it is impossible that he would not see down the corridors of time and into the future.  God’s name continued to be placed in Jerusalem even though the physical structure of the Second Temple was destroyed in the Tribulation.  There has been a replacement for the Temple that was destroyed in 70 AD.  We are told of this in John 2:19-22 that Jesus said: “’Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  The Jews then said, ‘This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?’ But he was speaking of the temple of his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.”  How about that? The disciples did not, with a spirit of unbelief, turn to the Book of Ezekiel chapters 40 through 48 and tell the resurrected Jesus that he was wrong – that there was going to be another physical Temple building.  Since the Gospel of John and the Epistle to the Ephesians were roughly contemporary, it is like that the early church understood the full import of Jesus as the Temple. To seal the deal, the Levitical Priesthood, based in the Temple, was replaced (Hebrews 7:12).  And further, Christ as the Temple was attested by Jesus himself in John 2:19-22, Christ as the Temple was attested by Paul in Ephesians 2:20-22 and by John of Patmos in Revelation 21:22. In the mouths of two or three witnesses a thing is established.  

In spite of all this evidence, amazingly, there are those who claim the Torah is forever and written on their hearts (Hoeh says that the eternal law of God includes the Ten Commandments and also the “statutes and laws” derived from them in his article titled “Which Old Testament Laws Should We Keep Today?”) and that the Levitical Priesthood and the sacrificial system will be restored (Ezekiel 44:15) in the Millennium all based on the idea of Ezekiel’s Temple. So, it is worth having a look at Ezekiel’s Temple.  The account of it is starts in Ezekiel 40 but finishes in Revelation 21 and 22.  I will turn to that topic next. 

Ezekiel’s Temple and the Apokatastasis

Ezekiel delivered a lengthy prophecy (Ezekiel 40-48) that is a detailed description of an unbuilt Temple.  The passage describes a being giving the description of the Temple to Ezekiel.  The being says the message of the description is for Israel which was then in exile in Babylon.  Otherwise, the being does not provide any information about the purpose of the description. In particular, the being does not assert that it is a plan for a future physical Temple.  Consequently, there are many interpretations of this passage. 

The meaning of the passage about this imaginary Temple is problematical.  I will present what I think is the most plausible theory. Briefly, at the close of Ezekiel’s description of the Temple, he describes a river of healing waters that proceeds from beneath the threshold of a door to the Temple (Ezekiel 47:1-12). This description is repeated by John of Patmos in the Book of Revelation (Revelation 22:1-5).  Ezekiel and John are using the same imagery.  The connection is undeniable. John seems to provide a gloss on Ezekiel’s Temple writing.  But John of Patmos, a few sentences earlier in Rev. 21:22, makes an explicit statement about the Temple: “I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.”  What this means is that Ezekiel’s imaginary Temple is a symbol of God the Father and Jesus Christ according to John of Patmos.  In the Apokatastasis, there is the renewal of all things prophesied by Jesus when he walked the earth (Matt. 19:28).  Jesus is the Temple renewed, and this renewed Temple in the person of Jesus is not attended by the Levitical Priesthood but the Elect are the priests of that Age (1 Peter 2:9). 

Where the Data Leads

My penitential confession. The Torah has an unbreachable linkage to the Temple through Holy Day observation. The three major Holy Days required sacrifices and that all the males of Israel appear before God at the place where he put his name. The curtain fell on the Torah in its physical implementation in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed in the Tribulation.  The physical Temple in the interval after the Crucifixion and before 70 AD had already been superseded by Jesus as the new Temple.  The physical destruction of the Temple just underscored this supersession. So, then the Torah as an integrated package of liturgy and praxis could no longer be kept.  All subsequent renditions of the Torah innovated by men are partially truncated without the Temple.  (Somebody needs to convince me that re-inventing the Torah sans Temple is a God-ordained directive rather than a pathology.) Proclaiming that the Temple is no longer required because there are no longer any sacrifices overlooks the fact that there were other Temple activities that are still executable.  Abrogating the sacrifices does not uncouple the Torah from the Temple.  The Torah and the Temple stand together or fall together. Ezekiel’s Temple does not proclaim a revitalization of the Torah, sacrifices and Levitical Priesthood but symbolizes God the Father and the Son who gave us the New Covenant with a new High Priest and a new priesthood and the Law of Christ.

 

Note:  Let me hasten to add that it is my exegeted position that there is nothing wrong with keeping any of the Holy Days. Knock yourself out.  I feel that it is highly probable that the Jerusalem Church in the First Century observed the Holy Days and some Temple worship prior to 70 AD.  Observation of a Holy Days can have pedagogical value if observed from a New Covenant perspective.  What is blatant heresy is to declare that Holy Day observance is required for salvation.  Circumcision is the canonical case against this view.  



In Defense of Rendered Righteousness: Concerning the Holy Inquiry into Beef Tallow

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In Defense of Rendered Righteousness: 
Concerning the Holy Inquiry into Beef Tallow
By Elder Rev. Dr. Percival Thaddeus Grone

Brethren, Saints, and Those Who Sauté Without Understanding,
It has come to my attention, with no small measure of grief, that the recent doctrinal clarity offered by the United Church of God concerning beef tallow has been met not with reverence, but with ridicule. A certain blog, frequented by the spiritually unrefined and the casually blasphemous, has seen fit to mock the sacred labor of the Doctrine Committee (DC), reducing a matter of considerable theological weight to the level of fast food and pop health fads.
I write not to rebuke the DC – for their forthcoming work will certainly speak for itself, glistening with unction – but rather to issue a gentle but firm reminder to those who dare to question the legitimacy of this fat-based inquiry, who dismiss as trivial what may yet prove to be a hinge upon which great eschatological truths swing.
Let the mockers take note: it is no light matter to despise the day of purified truth.
Of Tallow and Torah
The Levitical code – often skimmed, rarely digested – makes frequent and solemn mention of the handling, burning, and prohibition of certain fats. (Leviticus 3:16-17, 7:23-25). It does not distinguish, as modern man does, between “culinary” and “ceremonial” uses, nor does it shrink from specificity.
If the Law devotes multiple verses to the fat upon the inwards, is it so far-fetched that a Church born of Scripture would pause to consider whether piping hot tallow may cross the invisible boundary from cooking aid to covenantal compromise?
This is not pedantry. This is Adipotheology – the study of sacred fats and their role in the moral metabolism of the faithful.
The Problem of Unfiltered Commentary
I have read the remarks. “Who has even heard of beef tallow?” one anonymous scoffer asked, perhaps while microwaving seed-oil-drenched remnants of Babylonian Cuisine. “Do we really need doctrinal statements on these things?” cries another, forgetting thatdoctrinal papers are the very medium by which councils preserve the faith once delivered.
Even more troubling is the implication that such inquiries are mere busywork for Church administrators – something to “justify their existence.” I ask you: Did Moses not receive detailed instructions for tabernacle measurements, curtain colors, and priestly undergarments? Shall we now accuse him of time-wasting?
This same nameless critic – whose credentials remain as elusive as their courage – likened this holy inquiry to “studying the sex lives of gnats.” I would caution such individuals to reflect more deeply on the plagues of Egypt, in which the Lord made abundant use of small insects to reveal the hardness of men’s hearts.
Clarification, Not Control
It has also been suggested that such discussions are meant to cow the brethren into submissive dependence. This, too, is a theological offal – malnourished thinking dressed up as discernment. The aim is not control, but clarity. A member who inquires whether their use of tallow aligns with divine expectation is not a slave, but a seeker.
And if a minister lacks the discernment to answer such a question, then yes – a study paper is needed.
One does not dismiss the map simply because the road is narrow.
What the Scoffers Miss
Amidst the scoffing, a pattern emerges: a refusal to believe that small things matter. That fats, genealogies, shadows of the Law – while perhaps minor in caloric content – may carry theological weight. These are not the concerns of fluffy-minded milquetoasts. These are the concerns of covenant-keepers, watchmen on the dietary walls.
The idea that “we eat fat every time we eat meat” is presented as a trump card. But this is like saying “we sin every day,” as though frequency excuses gravity. Even if true, it calls not for mockery but for mindfulness.
A Final Word to the Theologically Lean
To the bloggers and commenters who see tallow as a distraction from greater suffering in the world: it is possible – indeed, necessary – to care about both. The Church is called to live in a state of faithful fatfulness – not gluttonous, not ascetic, but watchful. Whether in the pulpit or the pantry, righteousness requires attention to detail.
The Doctrine Committee, in its deliberations, has dignified the question. The bloggers, in their derision, have revealed something altogether more concerning: a tendency to laugh where trembling would be more appropriate.
May the saints consider carefully what is offered, what is received, and what is scorned.
Elder Rev. Dr. Percival Thaddeus Grone
Percival Thaddeus Grone
Senior Fellow of Sacrificial Nutrition and Theological Lipidology at the First Antioch Institute of Levitical Wellness
Certified Liturgical Edibility Analyst (C.L.E.A.N.)
Still Watching Since 1844


Ai COG: Hotel Armstrong: You Can Check Out, but You go to the Lake of Fire

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The Cult’s Favorite Tactic: Blame the Exiles

In an August 1980 Good News Article, the Ol’ Herb was on a mission to demonize anyone who dared leave his flock. In a piece that reeks of desperation, he claimed ex-members—those “embittered” dissidents—spend their days obsessing over what’s “wrong” with the WCG, conjuring up “monstrous, impossible, filthy lies” about the church and its leaders. Their minds, he said, are consumed with negativity, twisting facts into falsehoods, spreading rumors, and fueling their “vengeful bitterness.” Meanwhile, loyal members focus on the “wonderful truths” of God’s work—see the difference? If you don’t, you’re in danger of becoming one of those satanic exiles. It’s the WCG’s favorite gaslighting trick: don’t question us, or you’ll end up like them—cursed, miserable, and doomed.

We show how Armstrong and his demonic decedents shamed ex-members and current ones alike to silence dissent, all while ignoring the real reasons people left—like the WCG’s corruption, failed prophecies, and predatory leaders. In an unsurprising reveal: those “dissidents” weren’t the problem—the entire religious system of Armstrongism was.

Painting the Villain: Ex-Members as Satanic Liars

The article kicks off with a vicious attack on ex-members, claiming their “principal purpose in life” is to “expose the evils” of the WCG. The founder paints them as bitter haters whose every thought and conversation revolves around what’s “wrong” with the church. They’re not just critical—they’re liars, twisting facts into “filthy” rumors about the WCG and its leaders. He quotes Jude 8-19 to seal their fate, calling them “filthy dreamers” who “defile the flesh,” “speak evil of dignities,” and are destined for “the blackness of darkness forever.” They’re “raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame,” driven by “ungodly lusts,” and lacking the Holy Spirit. In short, they’re not just wrong—they’re satanic, and their fruit is chaos, leading splinter groups that fight each other and drag others away from Christ entirely. If you’ve been in any of the WCG’s offshoots for any length of time, you have probably seen similar letters and sentiments expressed in a similar fashion.

This is gaslighting at its ugliest. The WCG didn’t just excommunicate members—they vilified them, turning them into cartoonish villains to scare the flock into loyalty. But ex-members weren’t making up “filthy lies”—they were exposing real ones, like the cult’s failed prophecies (1972 Tribulation, anyone?), the triple tithes that bankrupted families while the Armstrongs lived like kings, and scandals like Garner Turd Armstrong’s college harem at Ambassador College, which we covered in “Suspicious Lies.” The WCG couldn’t handle the truth, so they smeared the whistleblowers, gaslighting members into thinking criticism was satanic. It’s a classic cult move: don’t fix your problems—just blame the ones who call them out.

The Warning Shot: Don’t Join the Damned

The dear leader doesn’t stop at ex-members—he turns the spotlight on you, the reader. He warns that their bitterness could infect your heart, urging you to “think no evil” and set your mind on “things above” (Colossians 3:1-3, Proverbs 23:7). The WCG, he says, is the “Body of Christ,” preparing to be Christ’s spotless Bride at His soon return, so forget the past—your sins are covered if you repent. But ex-members? They’re not blessed like the WCG, which is “back on track,” growing, and knit together with Christ. He tells you to pray for them, that they might repent and return, but also to pray for each other to endure to the end, now “near.”

Here’s the gaslighting twist: if you even think about sympathizing with ex-members, you’re at risk of becoming one of them—bitter, cursed, and lost. The WCG framed itself as the pure, blessed church, while ex-members were miserable failures leading doomed splinter groups. But the reality? The WCG was bleeding members because of its own failures—financial exploitation, authoritarian control like the Visiting Program we exposed in “Gestapo in God’s Name,” and leadership scandals. Ex-members weren’t “unblessed” for leaving; they were free, while the WCG was the one fighting to survive, hemorrhaging followers to those “eight or 10 little splinter groups” that wouldn’t have existed without the cult’s own dysfunction. The founder gaslit members into thinking the problem was the dissidents, not the cult that drove them away.

The Real Lies: The WCG’s House of Cards

The article’s biggest lie is its refusal to admit why ex-members left. Herbie claims they’re just bitter and satanic, but let’s look at the facts. By 1980, the WCG was a mess—GTA had been disfellowshipped in 1978 for his Ambassador College harem, a scandal that confirmed members’ worst suspicions about the leadership’s hypocrisy. The cult’s prophecies kept failing (no Tribulation in 1936, 1951, or 1972, no Petra escape), yet they still preached the end was “near,” keeping members in fear, The triple tithes left families broke while the Armstrongs lived in luxury, pulling in $200 million a year by the 1980s (over $600 million today).

Ex-members weren’t “conjuring up lies”—they were telling the truth, and the leadership couldn’t handle it. The splinter groups the founder mocks? They formed because people saw through the cult’s facade and wanted out, even if they didn’t fully escape Armstrongism’s grip. The real “fruit” of the WCG wasn’t growth or peace—it was broken lives, financial ruin, and a pipeline to atheism for those who, as the article admits, “departed entirely from Christ” after leaving. The WCG gaslit members into thinking ex-members were the problem, but the cult’s own corruption was the root of it all.

Stop Falling for the Shame Game

The WCG’s gaslighting in “How Ex-member Dissidents Fill Their Minds” was a desperate endgame: smear ex-members as satanic liars, shame current members into silence, and pretend the cult is God’s pure church—all while ignoring the scandals, failed prophecies, and control tactics that drove people away. The founder wanted you to believe dissidents were the problem, but they were just the ones brave enough to speak the truth about the WCG’s rot. Stop falling for the shame game. Your doubts, like those of the ex-members, aren’t satanic—they’re a sign you’re waking up. Ditch the cult’s lies, and walk out of the trap for good.


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Crackpot Prophet Says True Education Only Comes From Hierarchal Church Government

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Would you look to this man to provide you "true education"?

God's most highly favored Church of God leader, foreordained by God to come in the perilous last days to bring true education through true church government to the world, is back again quoting from one of Herbert Armstrong's booklets, The Seven Laws of Success.

The Great Bwana makes the following statement:



While there are many things that help one be successful, let’s focus on one that he mentioned, knowledge and that comes from true education.

The Book of Ecclesiastes adds “wisdom brings success” (Ecclesiastes 10:10). 
 
So the right knowledge and its use–wisdom–brings success. 
 
True education helps lead to that. 
 
Actually, that is one of the functions of the ministry:

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!” (Romans 10:14-15)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head — Christ — 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:11-16)

The only problem with quoting these scriptures to back his stance is that the vast majority have no idea what Christ accomplished or the beliefs tied to those accomplishments. Armstrongism never taught it. Ask most COG members to describe the importance of the law, and they can wax poetic. Ask them to talk about Jesus, what he did, and what he accomplished, and the New Covenant, and you will draw a blank stare. The works of Jesus and the New Covenant cannot be discussed without bastardizing them both with law-keeping. 

Following the god of Armstrongism is about submitting to the law and, more importantly, to the ministry through church government. Forget about freedom in Christ, that's Protestant heresy! True faith and education come from submission to the law and your church leader.

The Great Bwana writes:

Proper hierarchical church governance provides true education. Those “independent” of it, are carried about by improper winds of doctrine, including false prophetic understandings

Seriously, dude? Look at what your rebellion and refusal to submit to church government caused when you apostasized from the Living Church of God. Your traitorous, backstabbing actions and lies were appalling. It is no wonder Rod Meredith kicked you to the curb! Heck, even Gaylyn Bonjour came out and said you were wrong in taking his blessing as justification for starting a new splinter group.

The Great Bwana Bob and the improperly named "continuing" Church of God are a shining example of what rebellion and hard-heartedness cause. 


 


Dave Pack CONFIRMS Jesus Returning on June 11

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RCG HQ after Jesus fails to return for the 590th time



Crackpot Know-it-all Prophet Blows A Prophetic Gasket Over Banned! Again!!

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Visions of Fatima, Mayans, witchdoctors, and absurd bible interpretations. 
The list of blasphemies is endless.

As Los Angeles burns with rioters, God's most highly favored self-appointed prophet to ever exist in the arc of humanity's existence on this earth has blown a major gasket over Banned. For some unimaginable reason, this blog seems to pop his cork a lot! I sit here and ponder daily how is it that we can offend him so easily? I guess that is why he is an avid reader of this blog, multiple times a day.

I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth all the way down here in Pasadena. Never has the Church of God had a more delicate and easily offended self-appointed and illegitimately ordained prophet in its midst. That's saying something considering the many self-appointed prophets that preceded him in COGland.

Here is what the little guy started off with:

Well, some of Satan’s allies at Banned by HWA continue to post lies about me and others in the Continuing Church of God (CCOG). 
 
Here is some of what was posted yesterday by Gary Leonard at Banned: 
 
Look at what your rebellion and refusal to submit to church government caused when you apostasized from the Living Church of God. Your traitorous, backstabbing actions and lies were appalling. It is no wonder Rod Meredith kicked you to the curb! Heck, even Gaylyn Bonjour came out and said you were wrong in taking his blessing as justification for starting a new splinter group. 
 
That is a lie, I was never kicked out of LCG, nor did I apostatize. And, I spoke to Gaylyn Bonjour myself many times and that is not what he said to me. 
 
Gary Leonard, webmaster at the Banned site, has been spreading those lies about me for many years.

All of you big, bad meanies here had better stop picking on Bwana Bob! How could you do this when he is God's most highly favored prophet, preordained before the earth was formed, to come in these perilous end times to give a warning to the world, wait...sorry, to print hundreds and hundreds of booklets no one cares to read.

The Great Bwana loves to gaslight Living Church of God leadership, Gaylyn Bonjour, and the rest of the church by claiming that Bonjour double blessed him to start a new lacking in personality cult. Bonjour did no such thing and did not have that in mind when he blessed Bob that he speak clearly to Rod Meredith when he went in for a meeting. Bonjour and NO INTENTION of blessing Bwana Bob or ordaining him to start a new church made in a fit of rebellion. For Bwana Bob to claim otherwise is to blatantly lie, which he does, continually.

God's greatest gift to the church then trots out Jesus to support this intense persecution that the Great Bwana is suffering. If he would stop lying and making outlandish claims, no one would be bothering him, 
alas...


10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you (Matthew 5:10-12)

Certain ones at Banned and various other places have regularly been fulfilling that prophecy and saying all kinds of things falsely against me, the CCOG, and others in various COGs.

One thing that many people at Banned and the other anti-COG sites cannot stand is the idea that the true ministry is not in it for the money. Many who became bitter against the WCG have asserted that the ministry is only in it for the money. Certain ones have claimed that the COG ministry lives exceedingly well off the backs of the tithe-payers. Yet I do not, as my income does NOT come from the CCOG nor those who donate to it.

I can state, with God as my witness, that Bob Thiel is NOT a true minister of the church. He never has been and never will be unless he repents of his lies and blasphemies. Besides, he is illegitimately ordained and has absolutely ZERO apostolic lineage in his illegitimate ordination, so that simple fact alone invalidates him as a true minister of the church.

The Great Bwana then goes on to compare everyone here to Goebbels from WWII. I haven't stopped laughing for the last 15 minutes at that one! One thing is for sure: Bwana Bob is a real comedian!

He writes the following with the special comment that HE kicked the Living Church of God out instead of them kicking him out.

Satan’s minions have long followed Joseph Goebbels’ playbook on this–and, of course, did so well before Joseph Goebbels was ever born (cf. John 8:43-47). 
 
Sadly, many have accepted lies promoted by people on the anti-COG websites. 
 
While I have not responded to most of the falsehoods and accusations they continue to post about CCOG and me, sometimes I do. 
 
Gary Leonard, the webmaster of the anti-COG Banned by HWA site has a history of libeling me and make false assertions about me. 
 
For example, in June 2020 he posted:

Meredith publicly rebuked Thiel from the pulpit and kicked him out of the church (Leonard G. Why do COG members still feel the need that they still have to go to the ministers for answers? June 19, 2020) 
 
That was about the third time in three weeks in 2020 that he had some version of that lie at his website–and his site has had versions of it since. 
 
Of course, all the top leadership of the Living Church of God know full well I was not kicked out. I left because the leadership had serious integrity problems and refused to keep promises that they repeatedly made to me. 
 
Gary Leonard cannot get over the fact that it was I who “kicked out” LCG on December 28, 2012, not the other way around. If he and others at his libelous site would stop repeating the lie I was kicked out of LCG, I would not feel the desire to sometimes comment about it. 
 
Perhaps it should be mentioned that right after I left, even Jim Meredith (son of Dr. Meredith) emailed me and asked me to reconsider and come back. I declined.

Using a comment from Jim Meredith to support oneself is not a wise decision since Jim is not known as the brightest bulb in LCG pack. 

LCG  leadership has posted over and over on their blogs and in comments to LCG members that Bob was kicked out and that the integrity problem lay clearly at Bwana Bob's feet due to his ingrained narcissism. Rod Meredith about how much Bob disdained instruction:

I have prayed that for your own good and your future reward in God’s Kingdom, you will sincerely ask God at this time to give you an open mind and willing heart to heed Almighty God’s instruction in Proverbs 15:31-33: “The ear that hears the rebukes of life will abide among the wise. He who disdains instruction despises his own soul, but he who heeds rebuke gets understanding. The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom, and before honor is humility.”

And, about his lack of humility: 

Bob, I have personally liked you, wanted to encourage you and have tried to work with you for years. However, I have seen that you have had great difficulty in learning the lessons of deep humility that God wants all of us to learn. With very few exceptions, nearly everyone who knows you has clearly seen that—although you have a quick mind and great energy—you have nearly always thought very highly of yourself and of your own opinions. 

It was not just the ministry that had to deal with the Great Bwana's narcissism; the members got sick of his games, too:

You have offended or at least “bugged” dozens of Church members with this very self-important, pushy and “know-it-all” attitude and approach. So if I, as a minister of Christ for over 60 years and one old enough to be your father—can help you, I would certainly like to do this. For I love you as a fellow human being and one I have known and shared a number of hours with in talking over matters related to the Bible and our entire purpose here on this earth.

LCG members have been the most vocal about calling Bwana Bob out as a fraud. They saw it when he was in LCG. That is why the church never ordained him. Global Church of God also saw the same toxic characteristics and never ordained him. The Worldwide Church of God also saw his toxic mannerism and refused to ordain him. 

The Great Bwana then drags Gavin Rumney up from his grave to try and discredit him for exposing Bwana Bob's Indian diploma mill. That has been Bwana Bob's sore spot for years now.

He then goes into great detail, giving his tainted version of just how things went down with Gaylyn Bonjour's so-called double blessing and a few more meltdowns over me.

He counts his so-called persecution s a blessing:

So yes, Gary Leonard, Jesus said I am blessed when you post all kinds of insults, evil, and false things about me. Jesus knew His faithful people would be lied about.

The only problem with this is that the so-called "continuing" Church of God is not God's church. Never has been and ever will be as long as it prostitutes itself to the law and the diabolically wicked biblical interpretations that Bwana Bob makes that lead his followers in Africa astray. They certainly may be true seekers of truth but have been swayed by corrupt leaders who have chuch-hopped various Sabbatarian groups for decades, trying to find out who will send the most money.

I can state for a fact that Bwana Bob Thiel is NOT a legitimate minister of God. He is NOT a leader of a so-called "true" church. I can state for a fact that Bwana Bob's so-called church is built upon lies, half-truths, and doctrinal heresy. No real follower of Christ would ever be a member of Bwana Bob's church. That is also a fact. Bob Thiel does NOT come in the name of Jesus Christ.

The Bible makes profound statements about the lying false prophet, Bob Thiel:

2 Peter 2:1 ESV

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 
 
1 John 4:1-6 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. ... 
 
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. 
 
Matthew 24:11 ESV

And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 
 
2 Timothy 4:3 ESV 
 
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

Bob adds to scripture and the words of God with his own lies, which God condemns. All of his crap about dreams, visions, Fatima, Mayans, double blessings are all fluff meant to lead people astray. His resident witchdoctors in Africa in his congregations have him pegged! They know exactly what he is.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ESV 

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

No one in ANY Church of God needs to fear Bob Thiel. 

He is a false prophet. 

He did not receive dreams or visions from God.

He is a false minister. 

He is NOT a true minister of God. 

God did not send him.

God did not command him to speak.

He is NOT leading a true Church of God. 

He is a deceiver of the brethren.

God never sent him to the church.

These are immutable facts.

Jeremiah 23:16 ESV 
 
Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 18:20 ESV 

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 
 
Jeremiah 14:14 ESV 

And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.







Samuel Kitchen Invites Aaron Dean To Step Up And Take On His True Mantle And Restore The Worldwide Church Of God

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Aaron Dean responds with this:

Aaron K Dean

Yes I am the only surviving member of ACE. Half left the truth and all have died. My assignment may have been a Caleb and not a Joshua as you presume. If indeed God has something for me to do, then He will reveal it and I will do it. Christ,the head of the church decides if, when, how and who. We must all defer to Him. Taking matters into your own hands without God's direction has never worked well. Time will tell.

Aaron Dean

This excited Sameul Kitchen, who asked Aaron Dean if people could start sending their tithes and offering money to him. What???????????????

Aaron K Dean can I list you as the “DULY APPOINTED” on worldwidechurchofgod.org and ask brethren to save aside tithes and offerings, for you? 
 
I am reminded of, Ezra 2:63. 
 
“And the Tirshatha(who was Nehemiah)said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim.” 
 
Now we know our High Priest is Jesus Christ, but we also know there is a human instrument in Christ’s hands. 
 
You, have the delegated authority to handle and receive tithes and offerings from our people! Until you stand up in your position, we should save aside our tithes and offerings, as Malachi 3 commands so that there may be meat in God’s house. 
 
Notice meat, not milk. 
 
I want to help you stand up, so do other brethren. I also don’t want to offend you by inclusion in something you don’t agree with. 
 
Let me know.

I want to strengthen you in the Lord. If that means giving my life, my everything, then so be it. There is nothing more important than God’s Church getting ready! I believe we are entering a time of no more delay.

Recapture Tomorrow

If this were to ever happen, this would deflate Bob Thiel's cult big time. Bob would have no reason to even exist any more. Hilarious times are ahead! 

Armstrongism gets crazier by the day! 



















Philadelphia Church of God Members To Soon Sit On Throne Of David Next To Christ

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Ever since Gerald Flurry traipsed through the woods in Oregon trying to find HWA's prayer rock, he has been on a wild, fantastical journey of absurd speculations. The search for this rock plays into the blind worship of all things Herbert Armstrong. When Flurry supposedly found the very rock Herbert knelt at. Flurry also had to kneel in reverence to the holy rock before him.



Flurry then dug up his new relic and shipped it back to Edmond, Oklahoma, where it was placed in an outside garden to be stared at in awe and to sit and contemplate over. 




It wasn't long till it was noticed that most were not paying holy homage to the rock as Flurry thought his people should. So it was brought inside to be enclosed in a case while it rested on royal purple velvet.


Then,  not long after, Flurry's resident demon told him that this rock was going to be the very rock Jesus was coming back to be crowned upon as King of Kings. The holiness of the rock increased 100 fold.


It was also revealed to Flurry around this time that the dance that David did while naked was actually Irish Dance. Soon, hundred's of thousands of dollars were to be spent on dance studios, staging, music composing, etc, to showcase David's dance, though fully clothed. Flurry and his crew came up with a new idea to showcase Herb's stone in a throne chair and have church youth dance around it in a pagan/fertility dance.





Flurry's next step was to claim Jesus was returning to Edmond to sit upon this very stone when he returns, next week, according to Dave Pack. This, however, would present a logistical nightmare since Armstrongism always said Jesus was returning to sit upon the coronation chair in Westminster Abbey that held the Stone of Scone. England pulled a double whammy when they gave the stone back to them; it was proof that a new stone was to be used, and who on the entire earth possessed such a thing? Bob Thiel? Nope, he is always a dollar short and a day late to everything. Gerald Flurry claimed that Herbert's stone was the new coronation stone Jesus was returning to. Flurry then bought new property in Jerusalem in order to have a European home in case they need to move Herb's stone closer to England and the Lia Fáil phallus in Ireland, where Abraham supposedly buried the ark that PCG wants to dig up. In an interesting side note, not only has Flurry caressed the Lia Fáil stone and preached before it, but the Great Bwana Bob Thiel also stroked it when he too preached a sermon from there. It is interesting how the aberrant splinter cults of Armstrongism want to return to their pagan roots.

PCG members are regularly hit with articles about being royalty in God's sight. Now, they too can sit on the very throne Jesus is returning to. Since they will be equal gods to Jesus, reigning next to him, it is only right that they too will be crowned upon Herb's stone, thus allowing them to be seated next to JC himself, equal gods ruling the universe.

PCG's Brad McDonald wrote this today, June 10, 2025

A humble, teachable, contrite spirit is the first, most important attitude we must build! All other righteous character traits spring from it: godly fear, spiritual understanding, repentance, faith. Happiness requires humility, as do healthy relationships with others, and happy, righteous marriages. Humble children are happy children. 
 
“This rare character trait would solve all world problems and revolutionize every human life,” Mr. Flurry wrote in 2019. Humility will solve your problems too. It is at least part of the solution to every trial, problem and struggle you face. It is the key that unlocks the door to a vibrant, joyous relationship with God. 
 
“David asked, Who am I to even be able to give to God? (1 Chronicles 29:14),” Mr. Flurry writes. “This is the attitude God wants from us. He wants us to thank Him for the understanding and the opportunity to be a part of His Work. He wants us to thank Him that we can be His sons and daughters and He can be our Father. We in the firstfruits calling have the opportunity to sit on the throne of David at headquarters forever! What a reward! Who are we to be given such an honor and such blessings?”

Dave Pack: I am NOT a propeht! But, I am dispised in my own country, with my kin, and in my own house

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During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 579)" Given On June 7, 2025, 
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God states he has never claimed to be a prophet. 
We all know by now that David C. Pack is a liar. 
He has been claiming to be a prophet for a decade. 
I have put together some clips from the last year or two of him claiming to be a prophet. 

It will always blow my mind when people claim to not have done or said something 
when there is proof of it AND they know it.

Will Aaron Dean Assume His Primacy On September 23, 2025?

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More on Aaron Dean's prophetic role still yet to be played...
 

...authority within the Church of God is appointed. And Aaron Dean is the last one with appointed authority INSIDE THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD! He has delegated council powers from the apostle.
He has the authority to TAKE FULL CHARGE OF THE WORK, the Church and all assets! But the UCG is not this Church! Its work is not the work of the Worldwide Church of God!
A step of faith needs to happen.
So pray for Mr Dean. Let the ground shake brethren with our prayers!!!!
Im going to Jerusalem this year, for Trumpets, Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles. Some brethren are coming with me.
In Ezra and Nehemiah, we see the people gathering together in Jerusalem.
Now on “..the four and twentieth day of the sixth month…”(Haggai 1:15) Joshua comes to Zerubbabel to do preparations for the construction of the Temple in Jerusalem. Zerubbabel is mentioned first, in primacy.
This year, that date falls on September 17th.
September 23, is Trumpets.
According to Ezra 3:1, Joshua stands up at Trumpets and is mentioned first in PRIMACY.
This is obviously after Zechariah 3.
He could not act in accordance to His Temple duties without being cleaned up and restored to his office!
Interesting information: Aaron Dean was born on the Feast of Trumpets.
I’m overlaying the dates mentioned in God’s Word as if they are falling on this year, to give us some perspective.
September 17, 2025 the preparation for construction of the Temple begins.
The man with the Zerubbabel office has Primacy.(Haggai 1)
By September 23,2025 which is the Feast of Trumpets, the man with the Joshua office has Primacy.(Ezra 3)
They keep the Feast of Tabernacles together.(Ezra 3)
So I’m going to be in Jerusalem, with members of the Worldwide Church of God. And I’m going to raise awareness towards God and Mr Aaron Dean! Some brethren are coming with me in support. I hope to see more people.
Because the Church is God’s. And it’s important to me. It’s important to those inside the Body of Christ! And like an automobile, every one needs to be in their proper appointed place!
So Mr.Aaron Dean, I invite you to Jerusalem. Your room and board is all paid for. I’ve already spent a month this year in Jerusalem in preparation and I am confident Christ is with us.
The Bible says what needs to be done! We ought to move heaven and earth to obey and believe God!
You are not only part of the Worldwide Church of God Mr Dean, you have authority within it! If you want to talk to me about it, call me or text me (928) 358-7___.
But you are invited to Jerusalem Mr Dean! We would love to see you there.
In Christian service,
Samuel W Kitchen

Was The Mantle of True Church Government Passed On To Samuel Kitchen?

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Now we know why Samuel is so adamant about restoring the Worldwide Church of God. After the implosion with the Great Apostasy, true church government was preserved in his own family, with his father as the supreme head. At his father's death, that mantle was passed on to Samuel, and it is now his responsibility to restore the one true Worldwide Church of God as Herbert Armstrong envisioned it by permission from Jesus Christ.


The separation between church and organization. 
 
The WCG INC, along with Ambassador College, the ACIF, etc are corporate entities that were UNDER the Worldwide Church of God a/k/a unincorporated spiritual organism. 
 
This was recognized and declared by the chief officer of those corporations, Mr Herbert W Armstrong! 
 
Now why do so many want to disregard that separation? 
 
Mr Armstrong has the authority of Jesus Christ, as an apostle and minister of Jesus Christ! 
 
He created an Advisory Council of Elders to surround him and serve him within the Church! 
 
If he was to die, he delegated to them the power and authority to take full charge of the work and church and all assets! 
 
If you research the men in the ACE, you find they individually signed away their council powers to Tkach Sr, in 1991, and then individually left and attempted to gain full control by a new organization! 
 
The only man not to do this was Aaron Dean, who was on the council when Mr Armstrong died and had delegated authority and powers. 
 
He did not attempt to take full control! Everyone else was busy doing that. 
 
All the vultures were taking pieces of the body, swallowing as much as they could. Dividing it amongst themselves. 
 
One group offered Mr Dean a job, and it allowed Mr Dean to be like Daniel in captivity. 
 
He was unable to do his work as an Advisory Council Member. But he could deal with people one on one. 
 
I was born in 1991. 
 
1991 was the start of another 19 year time cycle. 
 
19 yearsrs later in 2010 Aaron Dean was hired by the United Church of God. 
 
In 2010 my family began warning brethren online of departures from the truth! 
 
We began stirring up the scattered membership of the Worldwide Church of God! 
 
Our work was organized through my father. 
 
It was the God ordained government in the family that ruled! 
 
In 2021 my father died leaving me in charge. 
 
So I’ve been warning brethren online ever since, and have been raising awareness of the existence of the Worldwide Church of God! 
 
And now I’m raising awareness of Mr Aaron Dean’s role and function in the Worldwide Church of God! 
 
And by my family, Christ has brought forth crowns to place on his head(Zech. 6:10,14), which simply represents authority and power in the Temple of God! 
 
How can the Worldwide Church of God be dead? When members are standing by, ready to support the ministry when they are restored. When there is a man who has delegated and appointed power, from the apostle, to take FULL CONTROL of the Work and Church! 
 
That means there must be a church! There must be a work! 
 
So that preparation has been done! It is being done.

Can UCG Ever Restore Trust And Accountablity With Its Leaders?

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Humble, servant leadership in the Church of God? 
What a novel concept!



When United Church of God split off from the Worldwide Church of God, they had a chance to boldly step out and reform the way the church operated and how it treated its members. Unfortunately, this never happened because the top men who gathered for a year before UCG's formation, planning their exit, were men already corrupted and tainted by the power structure and poor operational principles practiced by the church. Many in Pasadena watched these men and knew how they operated, but they wanted no part of UCG's formation. These men were not servant leaders but men who coveted their positions of power as a minister or as a department head.

Sadly, they took the same operational patterns over to UCG, where servant leadership never came to fruition. Their long-held belief was that members were there to serve them. There was and still is a total lack of transparency in how they operate. WCG ingrained this in them all too well. UCG ministers today feel they are no more accountable to the members than they were while in WCG.

Nathan Albright had this up on his blog around the time UCG was stabbing their former president in the back and seeking to elect a new leader who conformed to their desires instead of the members.

The recent decision not to confirm our widely respected president for another term, conducted behind closed doors and seemingly at odds with the will of many elders and members, has understandably created confusion and distress. When decisions that affect the entire body are made without transparent processes or clear explanations, trust inevitably suffers. Combined with concerns about financial stewardship, media strategy, and potential conflicts of interest, we find ourselves at a crossroads that demands thoughtful consideration of how we might better align our governance practices with our shared values and mission.

The Current Crisis of Confidence

Understanding the Root Issues

Before prescribing solutions, we must candidly assess the nature of our current difficulties. The non-confirmation of our president despite his popularity points to a disconnect between formal governance structures and the wider community’s perspectives. This disconnect becomes particularly troubling when:

    1. Decision-making processes lack transparency
    2. Resource allocation appears inconsistent with results (expensive rebranding versus cost-effective video production)
    3. Technical expertise gaps exist in critical ministry areas
    4. Informal power centers seem to exert undue influence over formal governance structures
    5. Potential conflicts of interest threaten to compromise objective decision-making

These challenges are not unique to our church. Throughout church history, religious communities have struggled with the tension between institutional authority and communal discernment, between tradition and adaptation, between leadership continuity and renewal. The task before us is to address these tensions in ways that strengthen rather than weaken our community.

The Cost of Inaction

If we fail to address these governance challenges, the consequences could be severe:

    • Erosion of trust between leadership and members
    • Declining engagement and participation
    • Reduced financial support
    • Difficulty attracting and retaining talented leaders
    • Impaired mission effectiveness
    • Potential factional division within the church

Biblical Principles for Church Governance

Transparency and Accountability

Scripture offers clear guidance regarding leadership accountability. The apostle Paul’s instructions to Timothy emphasize that church leaders must be “above reproach” (1 Timothy 3:2), implying that their conduct should withstand scrutiny. Jesus himself taught that “everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed” (John 3:20). These passages suggest that while privacy has its place, secrecy in governance often works against the church’s spiritual health.

The Church of God has never practiced transparency. They got by with it all through the decades until people started having access to email and the internet. At that point, they could no longer hide things. Sure, they would lash out and disfellowship members who dared to question them and would publicly tell members not to read dissident literature or read stuff on the internet, but people ignored them, and they have never been able to stop the flow of information that surrounds the church to this day. They still try and hide stuff from members, but it gets out eventually and when it does the shit hits the fan. Literally! 

Servant Leadership

Jesus established the paradigm for Christian leadership when he washed his disciples’ feet and taught that “whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant” (Mark 10:43). This model stands in stark contrast to worldly power dynamics where authority flows downward through command and control. In Christ’s kingdom, authority flows upward through service and sacrifice.

Servant leadership in Armstrongism is a joke. They love to talk about it all the time, but the broad majority never practice it. I remember to this day three of UCG's top men who, while in Pasadena before the implosion, would hand-pick the men who would wash their feet at Passover. We had to have warm water for them and large fluffy towels ready to dry their immaculate feet. These guys treated members with contempt at times. One who worked in the Church Offices would stand in the hallway after counseling sessions with members and laugh and joke with other ministers about the person they had just met with. Granted, there were a few men who did practice servant leadership, and members respect them to this day, whether in or out of the church. These men tended to be treated like dirt and sent off to the neither lands to run small churches.

Wisdom in Decision-Making

The Book of Proverbs repeatedly emphasizes the value of seeking counsel: “Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed” (Proverbs 15:22). The Jerusalem Council described in Acts 15 demonstrates a collaborative decision-making process that involved testimony, scriptural reflection, and consensus-building. These examples suggest that important decisions benefit from diverse perspectives and open deliberation.

Wise decision-making from church leaders and councils? What an oxymoron! 

Unity and Consensus

Paul’s letters frequently emphasize the importance of unity in the church. To the Philippians, he writes, “make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind” (Philippians 2:2). While unanimity on every decision is unrealistic, governance processes that seek consensus rather than mere majority rule better reflect this biblical value.

Albright ends his article with this vision he sees that the church can actually do. History proves it will not and is incapable of doing, but it's a good dream.

Conclusion: A Call to Faithful Governance

The governance challenges our church faces are significant but not insurmountable. With wisdom, courage, and commitment to biblical principles, we can transform this moment of crisis into an opportunity for renewed faithfulness and effectiveness.

The path forward requires contributions from everyone in our community:

    • From current leadership: Humility to acknowledge legitimate concerns, courage to implement meaningful reforms, and wisdom to balance tradition with needed change.
    • From elders and ministers: Constructive engagement with the reform process, patience during implementation, and commitment to unity amid disagreement on specifics.
    • From members: Grace toward leaders navigating complex challenges, active participation in new feedback channels, and continued financial and volunteer support during the transition.
    • From all: Prayer for divine wisdom, discernment of God’s leading, and recommitment to our shared mission and values.

The ultimate measure of successful governance reform will not be structural changes or process improvements, though these are important. Success will be measured by renewed trust, increased engagement, improved stewardship, and most importantly, enhanced effectiveness in advancing the gospel and making disciples.

Our church stands at a crossroads. One path leads to continued frustration, declining trust, and diminished impact. The other—the path outlined in this essay—leads to renewed vigor, restored confidence, and revitalized ministry. The choice before us is clear, though the journey will require sacrifice and commitment from all.

May we choose wisely, act faithfully, and move forward together in the confidence that God remains at work in and through our community, even amid institutional challenges. The future of our church depends not primarily on governance structures or leadership personalities, but on our collective willingness to pursue faithfulness in all aspects of our common life—including the critical dimension of church governance.

In the spirit of the apostle Paul’s exhortation, let us “make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4:3) as we navigate these waters together. And may our governance reforms, like all our endeavors, ultimately serve to bring glory to God and advance the kingdom of Christ in our world. 


The entire article can be found here:  Restoring Trust and Accountability: A Path Forward for Church Governance

The Day After

ep17:HERBERT W ARMSTRONG & THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD - CHURCHES OF GOD: Investigating and Reaching Faith Groups and Cults

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ep17:HERBERT W ARMSTRONG & THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD - CHURCHES OF GOD -  
no trinity, annihilation, SDA, false prophecyInvestigating and Reaching Faith Groups and Cults We examine different groups to see what they claim compared to what The Bible states. === Today’s denomination has been around a long time. With a basis in SDA - Seventh Day Adventism and The Law, its founder Herbert W Armstrong was a strong proponent of BI (see #405 The Cults ep16) and amongst many of the teachings of this group are the giving of several 'tithes' and...
  • Abstinence from eating unclean meats listed in the Old Testament, such as pork and shellfish.
  • God's children are not actually "born again" into spirit until after the return of Jesus to the Earth.
  • Soul sleep
  • Annihilationism for unbelievers
  • He prophesied world calamity and the return of Jesus by 1975.

This is another must-watch because these churches are known under several names - and are far away from the Gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ - yet many believers seeking a sound church can be drawn towards them because of their strong stance on certain issues.

Dave Pack is Summer Lovin’

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Summer Lovin’

If a member of The Restored Church of God disagrees with what David C. Pack teaches, all they need to do is wait one week because the Pastor General will eventually agree to disagree alongside them.

For yet a little while, Pentecost was the big deal RCG brethren had been waiting for. Until a week passed, and Dave revealed that Sivan 15 on June 11 was the real big deal.


During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 578)” on June 1, 2025, David C. Pack waved the flag of victory.


Part 578 – June 1, 2025 [Pentecost]
@ 02:39 This is now Pentecost. In fact, Pentecost is over in Jerusalem. I knew it. I knew it wasn’t going to be Pentecost, so we’re right on track.

The same man who taught that he was moved by God’s Spirit to teach that the Kingdom of God would arrive on Pentecost spoke on Pentecost in God’s name to say he knew it was not going to be Pentecost, which proves he was right about it not being on Pentecost.

The brethren in The Restored Church of God pay this guy to say these things to them.

When Dave has a brain-baby about some random element in the Bible, he blows it up to be the most mind-blowing secret to be revealed in 3,500 years. By combining a Tuesday and a full moon on the 15th of a Hebrew month, discovering this amazing fact just before it happens must mean that time is short.

@ 39:33 And is it just a coincidence that the 15th of Sivan, the full moon of Sivan, comes of the fourth day of the week this year? If that duddn’t give ya goosebumps, then you needed more coffee at lunch [chuckles]. Think it through.

The brethren staying in The Restored Church of God are not thinking it through. The remaining members must avoid reading their Bibles until they are forced to open them each Sabbath while pretending to take notes. David C. Pack has taught a date for the return of Jesus Christ and failed 129 times.

That is not a path inching toward success.

During a six-minute rant of theological lunacy stuffed with bizarre logic and goofy ideas, David C. Pack confidently explained why the end of the long journey to the Kingdom of God was upon them. The video clip is just a slice of the silliness of how Dave’s broken brain functions.


@ 42:44 You know, there’s a point where simplicity would appear. Simplicity in Christ. In peace.

The peace did not last because Dave self-neutered everything he said the following week. Everything he said was wiped from existence in less than seven days.

@ 42:55 Think again for the moment of 2520 days begin in the year 2025.

@ 43:47 Now, here’s an extraordinary thing I it just hit me like a bombshell this morning.

Dave is dazzled by his personal revelations because there must be a biblical purpose for what enters his head.

@ 44:03 This Series began on a full moon. Exactly a full moon. It will end on exactly a full moon. I don’t know why I never thought of that… Now, that was extraordinary enough to me. I thought, “Wow, wow, wow, wow. That’s amazing.” But it gets more amazing.

What is amazing to him includes the stone-cold math of ten times twelve, intercalary months, and lunar months being 29.53 days. For real. Watch the clip.

@ 46:36 If this is next Tuesday in the middle of the day, then we were we we the Series went ten years, God’s time, ten kingdom years on the dime before seven years before a thousand more. Think about it. Is that now is that an accident? I didn’t figure it out until my next-to-last message in the Series.

Every message is the next-to-last message in the Series because David C. Pack will never finish. Nothing he preaches will manifest, and his only choice is to remain a slave of his own ego. The Greatest Untold Story! Series will be completed when Dave retires into the grave. Then, watch the roaches scatter.

The hirelings at Headquarters care not for the sheep. Neither do they care for their false human idol. His mental deterioration progresses, and not even Edward “the walking void of critical thinking” Winkfield wants to do a wellness check in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium.

@ 47:28 It’s interesting. We did the math. Lunar months are 29.53-plus .53 plus days on average. The Series was 2,000 was 3,544 days. We divided that by a 120 20, and the average and the average month in there was 29.53-plus days. [tongue click] To the thousandth.

@ 48:09 But I thought you’d find that interesting. Add those things to the list of reasons I gave you last week as to why, and there are some others, as to why I think we’re right on. Third week in a row.

It was not an interesting six minutes. It was lunacy presented as “simplicity in Christ and peace.”

@ 48:34 I hope that has you excited as you walk out of here. The last six years, we thought it was Pentecost. We finally realized, no. Pentecost is in the shadow of the day we are waiting for.

If the All-Believing Zealots walked out of Pentecost services excited, it would prove to be another short-lived dopamine hit because a Tuesday full moon was not true love. It was just prophetic infatuation.

The brethren soon learned that the Summer Solstice was the real, real big deal.



During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 579)” on June 7, 2025, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God revealed that the hidden key that unlocked the prophecy door to the Kingdom of God was the Summer Solstice on June 20, 2025.

This nullified everything Dave taught during Part 578, proving his six minutes of gibberish was upgraded from perplexing to disturbing. Everything he thought was significant and inspired by God was actually a misinterpreted brain fart. Just like the entire Series.

Jesus Christ Returns June 20, 2025
on the Summer Solstice


Part 579 – June 7, 2025
@ 00:21 For a while, I thought the 5th, Pentecost, was the date we were looking for, actually, for years. Until I became a little over a week ago sitting with the fellas and very, very uncomfortable. …the Comforter in you will not leave you if you are one of God’s ministers and, never mind, a the leading minister uncomfortable. You will not be uncomfortable, never mind extremely so if if it is if you’re your date is correct.

When the Pastor General of a multi-million dollar 501(c)(3) non-profit religious organization is more uncomfortable than anyone else in the entire church, that should raise a red flag for everyone attending.

@ 01:07 Now we’re waiting for the 15th [Sivan]. So we ten days to full moon. Is this correct? Again, I became uncomfortable about a Tuesday.

@ 08:43 If summer equals it or He, and He, Christ, equals the Kingdom of God, then summer equals the Kingdom of God. Now, June 20th is the first day of summer here. In Jerusalem it’s it’s the 21st. But that’s the first day of summer.

@ 44:50 I was terribly uncomfortable with the 5th [Sivan 5 Pentecost]. Much more the 15th [Sivan]. But it looked like it had to be 2520 days in the in the year 2025, you know. 120 months of preaching. But it looks like we got another ten days. Ten once and ten twice. It’s what it looks like.

The six minutes of lunacy was officially dissolved. That should give brethren an uncomfortable pause before believing anything else spewing from Dave's mouth. He also explained what something else “looked like” that was proven false, but this time, “it looks like” the Summer Solstice. #reliable

David C. Pack tells people everything they need to hear to determine whether he speaks the truth or not.

@ 45:21 Why? Well, because you’re gonna be raised on a Tuesday. Or a Thursday. Or a Sunday night or something. It never made sense. But I, you know, [mumbles].

“But I, you know, taught it anyway,” Dave should have said.

David C. Pack just told on himself. He admitted the pivotal Tuesday point that supported Sivan 15 never made sense. But that did not stop him from preaching it, claiming to speak in God's name and under His direction and authority.

@ 50:41 All the discomfort is gone. I don’t wanna wait another 13 days. …But that’s not what God wanted.Hafta get the Series done.

All the discomfort will return with a vengeance as the Summer Solstice approaches, but David C. Pack will not be uncomfortable laying credit for his teachings at God's feet. No, over that, he will sleep like a baby.

Until further discomfort is announced, all eyes are on the June 20 Summer Solstice.

 


Just like he did with Pentecost and Sivan 15, Dave piles up a big stack of goofy junk and sells it as meaningful evidence for the Kingdom of God arriving on the June 20 Summer Solstice Sabbath.

@ 16:36 I’d like to just tell you that the summer solstice on the Sabbath when it hits Jerusalem is almost exactly dawn. It’s seven minutes off of dawn. …We’re waiting for the dawn that is the summer solstice. The dawn of a Sabbath. …it might be 500 years before that would happen again. Or is that a coincidence? Dawn in Jerusalem is 5:34[AM] when the summer solstice hits seven minutes later, at 5:41[AM]. Here it would be June 20th. There, it would be June 21stThat’s astonishing.

@ 30:09 It cannot. I mean, it just it's it's it it it’s locked. The summer solstice on June 20th, so obviously, if this is what God is talking about, could never, ever, ever tarry. It can't delay.

Add this to the bottom of the pile of dates that cannot tarry according to Dave: Passover, Pentecost, the Feast of Trumpets, the Feast of Tabernacles, Tevet 10, Iyar 1, Shevat 1, and Abib. And now, the Summer Solstice.

Listening to Dave tell on himself for over two minutes has valuable insight for those paying attention. The best way to dissolve the legitimacy of David C. Pack is to listen carefully to David C. Pack.


@ 55:16 Now, you're me, and you're trying to figure all this out, and you know that nobody else ever has. … but I'm gonna figure it out. It has to be God just would show me.

@ 55:47 I can't bother to study with a Bible. It's way too slow.

A member should tell that to a Headquarters hireling and then anticipate a warm reception. Maybe if David C. Pack actually studied the Bible he proclaims to understand, he would not be wrong about the return of Jesus Christ 129 times since 2013. Or he might even learn it is not his job to figure that out.

@ 56:18 But now it's just God keeps them in my my head and I and I I can just roar through them. Almost explode through them 'cause there's a hundred boxes to check. But finding the date that this was gonna be was like threading a whole series of needles. And after you think you've got it done, and it's maybe Pentecost, you come to, “Oh, here's a haystack. By the way, there's one more needle in this haystack.”

Does God intentionally guide His chosen servant to explain the Mystery of God to His flock inaccurately, or is David C. Pack presumptuously trying to figure things out by sorting biblical needles in the prophetic haystack?

@ 55:50 So, I know God helps me.

Dave desperately needs God to be helping him because the sublime horror of realizing he is doing this all on his own selfish, arrogant human steam would be cause for a catastrophic implosion through a psychotic break.

All the “facts” presented in Part 579 will soon prove to be fleeting empty ideas blown away by the winds of theological progress. The betting pool is now open for how long until Dave admits the Kingdom of God arriving on the Summer Solstice “never made sense” and left him feeling “terribly uncomfortable” and “much more” than Sivan 15.



In The Restored Church of God, a parable can be determined to be literal or symbolic based solely on the fickle judgment of David C. Pack. The same parable will be considered literal in one message but illustrative in another based on the present truth of Dave's broken brain.

@ 09:23 But, it’s a parable. Should we believe that the Kingdom of God comes in summer? That’s June 20th. I've had this in the back of my mind for a long time, but not enough knowledge to put it together.

@ 19:55 Now, I I’m I I I don't hear from Gabriel as I like to say periodically. I try to listen for the still, small voice of God’s word. But I understand that if summer equals Christ and Christ equals the Kingdom, then summer equals the Kingdom. Unless it’s a parable.

Some prime motivators keeping people locked in The Restored Church of God are fear and guilt. The fear of “just missing out” on the arrival of the Kingdom of God because they left “God’s One True Church.” The guilt of questioning the Pastor General is akin to questioning God and how He chooses to work with His chosen servants.

Openly questioning a teaching from the chair that a parable is to be taken literally is cause for suspension because that is an attitude of rebellion against God’s Government.

Field mollusks are trained to flip any narrative coming their way and turn it back upon the member, then make their attitude the focus of the discussion. Part of the manipulation and gaslighting strategy comes straight from Headquarters as Dave weaves this in to inoculate against naysayers.

Here is a classic David C. Pack manipulation and gaslighting combo:

@ 11:17 But I'm gonna give you the facts from the Scriptures, and then you’re left with whether or not to believe what Christ said. I’m tryin’ to just take His words at face value. Don’t play with them. And see if there’s if there’s support evidence to summer. To June 20th.

David C. Pack has made a career of making up “facts from the Scriptures” and only takes “His words at face value” when it is convenient for his current theory. Dave “plays with them” all day long.

@ 19:19 Midst of the years? As in dawn in Jerusalem? What would be June 21st there or the night of June 30th here? Did? Christ said summer three times. Did He actually mean summer?

Questioning what Dave teaches is to question Jesus Christ. Reject that at your own risk.

@ 1:41:16 So, you have the proof. I am not foretelling in some way where I got the word from God’s mouth, but if you asked me, did do I believe all of what I read the three times Christ said the Kingdom of God comes in summer and it's tied to trees, oak trees, do I believe that we have about a a about a little less than 13 days? Yes, I do. I think that's what it is. If that’s not it, you will not hear me come back. I mean, I’ll if we were here, I’d throw out possibility. “Here’s one that’s little bigger in the Scriptures. Watch this one.”

Dave will not come back unless he needs to, which means he absolutely will.

With psychological manipulation entirely in place, members of the Restored Church of God may now anticipate the arrival of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God on June 20, 2025.

@ 1:38:01 I absolutely am committed to ten [13] days away. I would recommend you commit to it as well.But above that, commit to the Kingdom of God.

Above that, dear brethren of The Restored Church of God, commit to the human idol you choose to worship by sitting in agreement and paying his salary.

@ 1:43:29 So, I I I think we all understand. You have the facts. I absolutely hold to this date and will offer no other going forward other than possibilities should we have to, and I think that is not a possibility.

He will hold to the Summer Solstice until he does no longer. He will offer no other date going forward until he has to. Classic Dave.

David C. Pack studied the Bible without his Bible to determine the Kingdom of God would arrive on the Summer Solstice. Despite all his verbal summer lovin’, nobody in The Restored Church of God should relax on a lounge chair sipping a Mai Tai until June 20. Be prepared for the Pastor General to turn cold on the Summer Solstice.


Marc Cebrain

See: Summer Lovin’

Dave Pack: Never Again Until Next Time

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Never Again Until Next Time

During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 579)” on June 7, 2025, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God taught that the Kingdom of God would arrive on the June 20 Summer Solstice. He repeated that he would never be able to teach another date because the biblical facts he discovered were so overwhelming


Part 579 – June 7, 2025
@ 30:57 …at the summer solstice [chuckles], it can't and it and it’s a Sabbath. I just keep going over this. You know, cannot tarry. I mean, just think of all the moments we’ve looked for in this regard. This would answer every question. It would it would be it you’d be at the point where I could never offer you any other date after looking at this, and we got a lot more to cover. Could never offer you another date.

Proof that David C. Pack does not listen to his own sermons, nor does he remember anything he said since 2013 in 3…2…1…

@ 50:33 Can you imagine me coming in two or three weeks and telling you some other date? It’s outta the question.

Brethren in The Restored Church of God do not need to imagine. They have already lived that, and the dissolution of the prophetic Summer Solstice is a mathematical certainty because Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God will not arrive on June 20, 2025, and because God’s Holy Spirit does not inspire David C. Pack to teach what he does.

Dave would do well adopting the personal philosophy of George Costanza by doing the opposite of everything he thinks because a new date is so inevitable that not even Bradford Schleifer, Carl Houk, or that coward Ryan Denee would deny it. Living from prophetic date to prophetic date IS life inside The Restored Church of God.

Seasoned RCG members learned long ago that they can never believe the words of their Pastor General. Consider whether that is a baseless accusation or a proven fact of history.

Flashback Part 172 – April 27, 2019
@ 1:03:45 I wish I had understood that. Now I do. I’ll never ever, ever again say the day.

Flashback Part 460 – July 22, 2023
@ 1:26:07 Now, it took a long time to learn a plain date where I could never come to another one. I could never come to another one. You could never. There's no way.

Flashback Part 440 – May 3, 2023
@ 38:53 I’m not setting dates anymore. I’m just not doing it.

Flashback Part 471 – September 30, 2023
@ 1:43:43 And I’m not here to tell you the day. I’ll never do it again. I’ll never do it again.

Dave desperately wants to be absolute in his confident declarations, but because his mind knows what he truly is, his assertions waver with decaying certitude. Carefully observe as his strength bleeds away, lacking the boldness of his first utterance.

Part 579 – June 7, 2025
@ 1:36:01 And the first one is a seventh day, weekly Sabbath at the moment summer begins. The perfect time for a for God to start the Kingdom. If this is wrong, brethren, there there’s no path I see to a different date than June 20th. Or 21st in Jerusalem. Other possibilities? I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe. Ya just sit here. I know the Kingdom’s gonna be here. If it went beyond it.

@ 1:39:33 But, theoretically, I’m tryin’ to give you a theory of. Th–then I would I would truly say, if it is not [taps table] ten [13] days away, we do not know the day and the hourand we’ve gotta wait upwards of six months, but it might only be two more days or one week or something.

What? So much for the Summer Solstice on June 20 being the end of the road. Dave left the door open to teach something else six months away rather than admitting no man knows the day and the hour. For Dave, “taking His words at face value” is optional.

Dave seized the opportunity to defuse the false prophet critics. Present company included.

@ 1:41:16 So, you have the proof. I am not foretelling in some way where I got the word from God’s mouth,but if you asked me, did do I believe all of what I read the three times Christ said the Kingdom of God comes in summer and it’s tied to trees, oak trees. Do I believe that we have about a a about a little less than 13 days? Yes, I do. I think that’s what it is. If that’s not it, you will not hear me come back. I mean, I'll if we were here, I’d throw out possibility. “Here’s one that’s little bigger in the Scriptures. Watch this one.”

Dave's conviction continued to weaken. Already gone were the days of “I could never offer you any other date.” Oh, the good ole days of 70 minutes ago.

@ 1:43:29 So, I I I think we all understand. You have the facts. I absolutely hold to this date and will offer no other going forward other than possibilities should we have to, and I think that is not a possibility.

Possibilities are the bane of self-assigned, uninspired leaders. Since David C. Pack is not a true apostle or a true prophet, possibilities will forever be cactus needles thwarting his pain-free path to the Kingdom of God. He rubs thorns into his own eyes.

One small detail that could be interpreted as progress for Dave is that he avoided leveling implied promises by holding up his own life as collateral.

Flashback Part 426 – March 4, 2023
@ 42:23 I know that the way has been prepared, and we all understand, and if we had to wait ten years, or until I died, no one will ever tell me we don’t have this exactly right.

Flashback Part 447 – June 6, 2023
@ 1:56:16 10-1-7-1000 is immutable. I will die on that hill. That’s the hill I die on. There's no way the Scriptures change, or the Sabbath can change.

Pastor General David C. Pack is as trustworthy as a drug addict, promising he will never use again. You take a grave risk believing him, but do not be surprised when you get home to find your television and laptop missing. 

“The Greatest Untold Story!” is what happens when a self-appointed end-time servant of God tries to make his yes mean more than yes. Setting dates for the return of Jesus Christ will continue because David C. Pack is cursed to do it never again until next time.



Marc Cebrian

PCG Cult Places Their Celtic Dance Troupe In Danger By Sending Them On Propaganda Tour To Israel

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The Philadelphia Church of God has been pretending that Celtic Dance is going to convert hordes of new members and that it is a unique way of presenting the gospel message to the world.

They recently shipped off the entire troupe to Israel to put on performances there to open the eyes of the Jewish nation to the holy dance of David and how their heritage is buried in a Hill Tara, in Ireland, where Jeremiah supposedly took the Ark of the Covenant and buried it.

Little did PCG know that almost as soon as they arrived on Haifa that Israel was going to bomb the everliving daylight out of the Islamic filth in Iran that has been threatening the world and holding the Persian people captive. But, the show MUST go on! God will protect them as a witness to the church and the world!

Currently the PCG is having its Irish dance production in Israel. They have two shows remaining, “Be’er Sheva” on the 16th and “Jerusalem” on the 17th. The dance crew consists predominately of minor children who are forced by their parents and church leadership to preform. The Flurrys have discovered a new way to create revenue utilizing child labor! Any reasonable, responsible, loving “leader” would have immediately recalled all plans pertaining to Israel when the President of the United States ordered the relocation of all personnel in the Middle East. But not Gerald Flurry, or Stephen and Amy, or Brad Macdonald. No! The show must go on!

On X, in response to being called out for their careless, greedy actions, the Celtic Throne account posted a picture of them performing the day prior in Haifa, claiming the “Celtic Throne Family were all happy, healthy and safe!” This, only hours ahead of Iran’s retaliations. This is a fantastic example of how they attempt to control the narrative and gaslight its members (who by the way are not permitted to have Smartphones and are encouraged to make the Trumpet.com and other PCG resources their primary news source). 
 
I’m sure in the end they, along with the majority of Israelis and visitors, will most likely be safe; however, it will not be because God protected them because they are a “special and called out people” as they will claim, but because Israel has an incredibly advanced military and intelligence team! Thanks to the IDF, Mossad and the US and UK, the Celtic throne children will probably be fine, but just watch to see PCG spin the entire dastardly situation into a faith building MIRACLE! –T. C.

The PCG boasted how well received the program was in Haifa, Israel, all with a standing ovation. 

The Philadelphia Church of God Parody Account on X, noted that the PCG had to cancel its last two shows in Israel because of the threats from Iran.

They also had this:

 

This was PCG gloating about the show in Tel Aviv. All of the Israelis in attendance immediately converted to the PCG and are now sending tithes to Gerald Flurry so he can dig up patriarch Jeremiah's ark buried in Ireland! Amazing!

One person on Facebook who knows some of the male dancers said that "this is a closeted gay boy's dream to be part of this production. A lot of pumping iron with the bros at the gym in order to look good on stage and revel in the adulation."


There is no doubt that these young men and women, as well as the smaller kids, are talented, but this is NOT preaching any gospel message to anyone. This is the PCG gaslighting their members into thinking this is gospel preaching so that they will continue to send in money to fund the elite children of the church as props for a failing cult of Armstrongism.

While the audience will stand, clap, and cheer on these kids, no one in attendance will join PCG. It never happened in the Worldwide Church of God when it dumped tens of millions of dollars in tithe money that was spent on lavish stage shows and to bring in musical artists from around the world to perform on the stage of the Ambassador Auditorium. No mass conversions happened. We did piss of the Jewish community as they thought we were out to covert them to the church. No gospel message ever reached them, or anyone else, for that matter.

One thing the Church of God has been good at over the decades is wasting tithe money. Just more proof of how debased Armstrongism really is.


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