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After spending many years trying to coddle up to Rod Meredith with his grandiose and poorly researched theological ideas, Thiel was shocked at Meredith's public shaming.
When a post went up here the other day about the new blog documenting Rod Meredith's Crimes, the Arroyo Grande false prophet felt that his story needed to be included in Meredith's list of "crimes."
I saw nothing at the RCM Crimes site that needed to be posted here (basically it covers three legal matters involving Roderick C. Meredith--one each related to WCG, GCG, and LCG), so am not linking to it at this time (I asked the one who informed me for his/her name and I have not yet gotten a response). Those who want to see false accusations from Dr. Meredith may wish to read the article Roderick C. Meredith's Accusatory Letter to Bob Thiel.The false prophet wants it to be very clear that he was a strong supporter of Meredith for many years:
Before getting to that letter, some background may be helpful. I was baptized by a Worldwide Church of God minister in 1977 and stayed with that church until 1995. I first met Dr. Meredith at the Feast of Tabernacles in Fiji in 1989. We met a few times after this, but he really began to remember me at the Feast of Tabernacles in Branson, Missouri in 1998, just prior to the Global Church of God (GCG) split that he suspected was coming at that time (he gave me his home telephone number then and we discussed issues that the GCG editorial department had about him and something they said when they published an article that I wrote for the old Global Church News).
When the GCG split happened, we discussed it over the telephone and Dr. Meredith encouraged my internet support of what he was then doing via my website cogwriter.com—and I provided it. For a very short time, cogwriter.com was from a functional perspective LCG's only website (though LCG never owned it or paid for any of it). After the crisis subsided, the late evangelist Carl McNair had me promise to keep the site going—and it still is.
Throughout the years, I had been an unpaid adviser to Dr. Meredith on various matters. Sometime in late 1999 (it could have been another year), Dr. Meredith made me promise, over my objections, that I had to tell him when I thought he was 'pulling punches' doctrinally. I tried to diligently carry that out, and that, for the first most obvious example, led to a major revision of LCG's Official Statement of Fundamental Beliefs in November 2002 (the main point of which was to include more of the 18 restored truths to it).It should be quit obvious to everyone that Thiel feels he has had a MAJOR impact on the development of the Living Church of God. By golly, he was Meredith's PERSONAL advisor! LCG could not be where it is today without his input. His awesome theological knowledge was put to use in helping LCG set its doctrines. According to sources at LCG, Thiel is full of hot air with his pompous declarations.
In the late Summer of 2005, Dr. Meredith formally asked if I would be a volunteer advisor to the 'doctrinal committee' (basically meaning an advisor on these matters to the Charlotte-based evangelists) in the areas of doctrine and prophecy. I agreed.Can you imagine seasoned older men sitting round the table at a doctrinal committee meeting listening to the Arroyo Wonder pontificate and tell them how things should be!
However, there were many disturbing issues that crept up over time. Perhaps the five biggest were:
1) The realization that LCG would not publish corrections in its Tomorrow's World magazine or other publications when it made doctrinal errors.2) That LCG was too willing to send out literature with known errors that its leadership knew about. 3) That the leadership did not seem to keep all of its promises.4) That the falling away matter change was not condemned strongly enough. 5) The leadership did not seem to practice various portions of the Bible, such as Matthew 18:15-17, the way that it seemed that they should.Despite all the magnificent knowledge Thiel dumped on the doctrinal committee, they largely ignored Thiel's recommendations. That started Thiel down his slippery slope to apostasy. The committee ignored him. Meredith ignored him. Winnail ignored him. Richard Ames ignored him.
Then he started working with William Bowmer. Thiel tried to set Bowmer straight on things and supposedly Bowmer agreed with Thiel, but that is largely Thiel's viewpoint in order to elevate his own standing.
Thiel's standing in the LCG was rapidly disintegrating in 2012. Even Richard Ames turn this back on God's most important man.
On October 23, 2012, I also sent a version of my falling away paper to Richard Ames, who did not respond to it.Then in December 2012, the ultimate hammer fell, Meredith ignore Thiel and sent him a letter pointing out the arrogance and delusions of grandeur that were occupying Thiel's mind. Meredith's letter really pushed Thiel's buttons big time. How could the leader of God's church IGNORE such a wise man as Thiel envisions himself! It was shocking! Even worse, it was humiliating to Thiel. Thiel felt that Meredith was entirely wrong in writing the letter and arrogantly has this to say:
I will simply flat out state that he did not follow what Jesus said to do in Matthew 18:15-17, and that he seemed to be fine with that.
Bob, I have personally liked you, wanted to encourage you and have tried to work with you for years. However, I have seen that you have had great difficulty in learning the lessons of deep humility that God wants all of us to learn. With very few exceptions, nearly everyone who knows you has clearly seen that—although you have a quick mind and great energy—you have nearly always thought very highly of yourself and of your own opinions.Sadly, it seems clear that Dr. Meredith wishes to blame me for many of the same things that Herbert Armstrong said he was guilty of. While there is little point rehashing those here, let me simply state that I do know what I personally had been thinking and I am severely disappointed that Dr. Meredith did what he did on 12/28/12.
Meredith began pointing out the arrogance of Thiel.
Apparently Meredith had finally woke up to the very thing everyone else already knew. Thiel WAS a pushy know-it-all, filled with arrogance, who was attempting to railroad members. Just like he still does to this very day!Dr. Meredith continued with:You have offended or at least “bugged” dozens of Church members with this very self-important, pushy and “know-it-all” attitude and approach. So if I, as a minister of Christ for over 60 years and one old enough to be your father—can help you, I would certainly like to do this. For I love you as a fellow human being and one I have known and shared a number of hours with in talking over matters related to the Bible and our entire purpose here on this earth.
Meredith had this to say:
That sounds just like Thiel to this very day! Extreme vanity and grandiose visions of greatness drips from every word Thiel says today. There is NOTHING about Thiel that is real or realistic.Continuing with Dr. Meredith’s letter:However, Bob, your own remarkable vanity and “dreams of greatness” have greatly affected your ability to think clearly many times.Over the last few years, many of us have noted that you have begun to think of yourself in terms that are not realistic.
Meredith saw though the nightmares that Thiel was having. Bad Chinese food does not produce great dreams and Thiel was not happy with Meredith's ridicule.
Did God speak to Dr. Meredith to tell him this? Since he did not make that claim, how does he know what I dream or my dreams are since we never discussed them? How can he be so certain in his accusations? And why would he spread this type of accusation without speaking with me? What did I say that was not realistic, as this never was mentioned to me before? Was it the idea that more people need to be reached to fulfill Matthew 24:14 as mentioned in the email dated 12/14/12?It takes no slight of hand to know that Thiel's nightmares were nothing more than that. They were not "god" inspired. God did not speak to Thiel those nightmares. God also did not speak through the nightmares of a woman supposedly unknown to Thiel. Everyone knows this except Thiel.
Next Thiel accuses Meredith of being a fool because Meredith supposedly falsely accused Thiel.
The Bible warns against spreading improper accusations, for "whoever spreads slander is a fool" (Proverbs 10:18). Certainly Dr. Meredith is aware that one who appeared to be a leader, but was rejected by God (1 Samuel 16:6-7) accused David of a type of vanity (1 Samuel 17:28)—which David essentially denied (1 Samuel 17:29). And while I am not perfect, I do deny the type of accusations that Dr. Meredith made in this 12/28/12 letter.How could Rod Meredith ignore Thiel's dreams?????? Seriously!
Furthermore, while I did mention to Dr. Meredith and others in LCG about a dream from God, they never asked the details and did not know what was in it, and they were never given any hint of its content (until it was publicly released on November 8, 2013). He and others should not be like Joseph’s brothers were when they condemned Joseph for having dreams from God (Genesis 37:5-11). Like Joseph’s, over time, it was clear that one dream I had was coming to pass.Bad gas does not a dream make! Even if a woman in New Zealand has the same issue!
Additionally, a woman in New Zealand had a dream after going to bed on 12/08/12 that was later at least partially fulfilled and included matters related to me (and it is a dream I did not learn about until the Feast of Tabernacles in 2013, and after I had unknowingly helped fulfill the dream she related to me. God sometimes works in spiritual ways and apparently just because He may not have done so as directly through Dr. Meredith, that does not mean He does not do so with othersSeriously, is there no end to this silliness??????
Dr. Meredith continued with:Recently, I had a meeting with Messrs. Ames, Winnail, Wakefield and my son, Jim, to discuss this paper you sent to Mr. Wakefield (and now I see you have also sent it to Messrs. Tyler and Weston). All of us in the meeting except Mr. Wakefield have gotten to know you somewhat and have heard many others express concern about your egotistical ideas that you believe you are a prophet or one of the two witnesses. I will not take the time to argue about every single point you bring up in your paper; that is not the important matter. I will just say that over and over you subtly twist, enlarge upon or exaggerate many of the things you think you heard—some of which you may have “partially heard” but enlarged upon in your own mind and received in a way that was not intended by the one doing the speaking.
There is far more to Thiel's egotistical rant that you can read on your own below. It is both comical and rather sad that Thiel cannot see how delusional he is. Even with Meredith's blindness to his own issues, his critic of Thiel is spot on. Everything about Thiel is a lie. From his nightmares to his self-appointment as a leader regardless of how much he claims Bonjour's blessing was a double blessing from God. Its one fraudulent story after another. The sad part is lives of sincere Africans are being destroyed because they think they are following a real pastor. They are not.
Read the entire comedy routine here: Response to a Letter from Dr. Roderick C. Meredith Dated December 28, 2012
It has been a while since one of the Kitchen clan have been featured here. Sadly, they are still up to their heretical idolatry, so much so that one of them has written this little ditty. Apparently Jesus needs Herb to support him when he returns. No other human in history qualifies to do that, except Herbert. He does have a "strong arm," after all.
Posted on Facebook:
A little piece I wrote about the Armstrong line, from Siward Bjourne Armstrong to Herbert W Armstrong.
What God has started He will finish. And God's plan is moving forward through Herbert Armstrong. All things shall be restored through him, so says your Bible.(Matt. 17:11) That includes the restoration of this earth, and the entire UNIVERSE! And Satan would like you to believe what Christ has been doing and IS doing through Herbert Armstrong is not important, but the Word of God stands sure and unbreakable. The Work of God is GREAT!(John 6:29) While men tell you that Herbert Armstrong died, in order to gain disciples for their movement, in order to get you to let loose and no longer hold true to the teachings of God that Herbert Armstrong taught(from the Word of God), but to commit treason and whoredom against God to accept and lift up those who moved away from the path of righteousness. It is up to every single one of us to preserve the truth, and the history, to be the pillars we have been called to be, un-movable from the task at hand. Because God is fulfilling His plan right before our eyes. We have been called to be apart of it under Herbert Armstrong. So let's finish our part.
by Samuel W Kitchen
Siward was his name
a child of royal sons
From the family line of hen
to Scotland doors where he calls home
In glorious array, one day, the battle rages on
Bjourn came back and he lifted, the King with his arm.
And his heritage stays with the name of Armstrong.
Lifting up the King, and his country, securing the throne.
In the future time that's near
Armstrong's name will be clear
UN-removed as pillars stand
Lifting up the KING OF KINGS AGAIN.
And his heritage stays with the name of Armstrong.
Lifting up the King, and his country, securing the throne.
May the light of truth remain.
May the light of truth remain.
Just when you think the craziness that makes up the Church of God can't get any crazier, along comes Wade Cox. Good Old Wade. The most magnificent Church of God leader since Herbert Armstrong. God's mightiest man who has converted over half of the African continent to the truth. The man who says the Koran is an extension of the Bible. He is such an awesome guy that Dave Pack truly trembles in his shoes at the awesomeness of Cox.
Wade feels that God has revealed his innermost secrets of the end times to him. Even Bob Thiel with his double blessings cannot compare to the knowledge that drips from Cox's fingertips.
Below Cox lays out just how the end times will be happening, all tied into the schedule of the Olympics. Humanity witnesses the last Olympics to ever be held when it was in Rio this summer. The tribulation will start before the Tokyo Olympics, 2020. No more opening ceremonies. No more parade of athletes. No more NBC and Bob Costas. Truly terrible times are ahead!
If your bullshit meter has not went off already, it should. When has there EVER been a Church of God leader who has ever told the truth and knew anything about eschatology?
They think they are in control but they are merely pawns of Satan and they will be destroyed over the period we will term the Last Olympiad. The Games of the 33rd Olympiad will not be held as in 2024 the Vials of the Wrath of God will be in full force and will have commenced sometime from the end of the 32nd Olympiad in 2020 and hopefully by Trumpets of that year.
The Tokyo Olympics are highly unlikely to occur as the Sabbath year of 2019 will see the Witnesses deal with the world prior to the Advent of the Messiah. We know that the Messiah will arrive to cut the rule of Satan short and his rule ends in 2027 at the Jubilee in any case. From the example of the entry to the Promised Land we deduce it can be some seven years before that year that Satan is imprisoned .
We know that the Two Witnesses will be here 1264 days before the Messiah and so we can assume that the Tokyo Olympics are unlikely as the Trumpets will reduce world travel and at the end of their time world commerce is severely disrupted. The Empire of the Beast will last for one prophetic hour and rule from Jerusalem for 42 months over the time of the Witnesses. The world will be dealt with and driven mad by the curses of Deuteronomy 28 (and esp. 28:34). The priests of the pagan system will be incapacitated as will the leaders of this evil system and much of it will be in captivity to the Beast and the nations it chooses to rule the administration of the Ten Toes.
No nation will be independently surviving for the Olympics under the Beast system. Tokyo will be under the Kings of the East over those last days. Thus they know that their time is short and Satan and the Demons must realise that this is the Last Olympiad of their rule. More importantly the Games of the 31st Olympiad in Rio must also be the last of the national teams to compete in the games. Similarly the wars of the Sixth Trumpet will have killed a third of mankind and the wars will desecrate the nations on an ongoing basis. What evidence do we have for the awareness of Satan and the demons that this is the end of their rule? The Last Olympiad
John Ritenbaugh wrote an article in The Berean the other day discussing prophets in church history and COG folk who set themselves up as prophets in the church even though they have no qualifications.
All of us desire to know the future so we can be prepared for it. We want to be in control of our destinies and not at the mercy of events. However, some have this desire so strongly that they set themselves up as channels through which the future is revealed.
Such people have misled many. Deuteronomy 18, along with chapter 13, warns against such people. Whether they are called diviners, charmers, spiritists, or channelers, using methods like reading tea leaves, casting lots, or conducting séances, they are to be seriously and carefully avoided because there is no godly reality to their prognostications. Those seeking to know are being misguided, putting themselves at the mercy of lying demons, or at the very least, imaginative men and women.
At other times, simply following a church tradition regarding a prophecy can also mislead a person. This occurs because someone in the past, sincerely believing he understood a particular prophecy, began preaching his belief, and many in his audience then believed without the resources to prove the interpretation wrong. Due to frequent repetition, it came to be accepted as truth.Today this would apply to many in the Church of God. Dave Pack, Bob Thiel, James Malm, Gerald Flurry, Will Dankenbring and many others. It also applies to Ritenbaugh and his hundreds of failed prophecies. Every single one of them have a string of failed prophecies covering the ground at their feet. Thousands are sucked into this madness and actually believe it is truthful. Each of these fraudulent men have repeated their nonsense for so long that they actually believe themselves.
Of course the biggest false prophet the church has right now immediately suffered major butthurt. Bob Thiel says that many COG members will fail to recognize true prophets, especially when that prophet is himself. Who is the true prophet for this age? Who else has been double blessed and had nightmares where dark forces said he was the chosen one?
While I am not about to analyze all of John Ritenbaugh’s points, the reality is that most real Christians will NOT accept biblical criteria for prophets in this age.
Sadly, many people in the Church of God (COG) have trouble believing that God actually uses prophets or how He would use them today.According to Thiel, all COG prophets out there right now are false, except of course for himself. They have disqualify themselves because they are liars. Even id those properties are "at best questionable," they are still lairs. Apparently the questionable emphasis Thiel makes on countless speculations does not enter this equation.
But first, it should be noted certain leaders of other COGs have disqualified themselves on certain matters of prophecy, especially when they insist on matters that are wrong, or at best questionable.Then Thiel gets to the just of his posting. He and he alone is a true prophet! LCG said so!
Prophet is an office and prophets are to prophesy. Although the position of groups like LCG is that it has NO prophets (which is likely the case as I stopped attending late on 12/28/12), it should be noted that its top leader had repeatedly taught in the past that God may consider Bob Thiel to be a prophetThiel cannot stand the fact that 99% of COG members think and know that he is a liar. Because of that he needs to throw out scripture point out that they are wrong:
Contrary to scripture, most end time Christians do not heed the following from the Apostle Paul:
Despise not prophesyings. (1 Thessalonians 5:20, KJV)
Do not despise prophecies. (1 Thessalonians 5:20, NKJV)Those that deny the prophet status of Thiel are lukewarm Laodiceans. How can they not know that Thiel is the chosen one?
The fact is that Laodiceans believe that they do not have need to listen to any of God’s end time prophets (Revelation 13:14-18), even if some believe that God uses prophets.He then lists 36 failed prophecies and false teachings of various COG groups. Of course missing from all of that is all of Thiel's lies.
The only COG leader out there telling the truth is Thiel. Even Herbert Armstrong would be agreeing with him, if he were still alive.
Some will come up with their preferred rational as why not to agree with the position of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) on these matters. Yet not only are they biblical, on most of those points, the old WCG taught what I believe that the Bible teaches on them (on the few that it did not, one is consistent with a November 1979 HWA writing and on the others, a former adviser to HWA told me that HWA would have agreed with me on those as well, as one he had not investigated and some others were not issues when he was alive.First it was double blessings, double nightmares and self-appointment, now it is the blessing of Herbert Armstrong. Thiel's comment is quite laughable since HWA would have ripped Thiel to shreds and left him a blubbering mess after publicly rebuking him from the Auditorium stage and in all print materials. Meredith's rebuke would be baby pablum compared to HWA's rebuke. So once again we see Thiel lie in order to make himself look set apart and special.
It should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on all the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. (emphasis his)No one in the Church of God is more qualified that Thiel! Kneel at his feet in wonder and amazement!
We have all had fun sitting back watching the blatant idolatry that goes on in various COG's splinter groups since the Worldwide Church of God imploded. It all started with Gerald Flurry who imitates everything he could to be like Herbert Armstrong. From building a mini-me auditorium to traipsing in the woods of Oregon to haul back a dirty rock and he claims HWA prayer at to buying an aging mansion in England and starting another "college."
Meredith then tried to emulate HWA, at who's feet he had been trained, but has failed rather spectacularly. After failing miserably in Global Church of God, he took their money and started the Living Church of God. Never able to afford to build a college campus with fine buildings and gardens, he has had to settle on a few rooms in an office building for his "college."
Then there is United Church of God, another sad imitator, who has split and fractured so many times that they cannot keep up to date on how many are actual members. Its media campaigns have been disastrous. Like Meredith, it too has a few rooms in an office building that house it's "Bible" Center.
Like Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack has built himself a little empire that is another imitation of Herbert Armstrong's visions. Regardless of how much he lies that he was trained at HWA's feet, which he wasn't, he cannot make his dwindling cult desirous of other COG members. After predicting tens of thousands of wayward COG members would soon be flocking to Wadsworth, he has been left sitting red faced as he is unable to build his own mini-me auditorium.
Dave recently sold his home and has had a new one construct on the Wadsworth compound along with other "faculty" homes for the boot clicking elite. It's all imitation and make believe. From the streams, flower beds, building designs, to even the trees he plants
Everything he does is an imitation of what Herbert Armstrong did. Dave can never compare. It is a poor business model that was doomed to failure from the start. Dave does not have the personality that HWA did. When HWA sent out regular bombastic letters blaming members for church problems and that they needed to send in more money, they did. When Dave speaks people tend to ignore him. People look at Dave as a liar. They are leaving his church daily and money continues to be a struggle.
How long will it be till the Wadsworth compound has to be sold to developers who will build condo's?
When the elite of the present day UCG conspired and worked behind the scenes to form their new church, while still employed by WCG, they thought they were taking the best and the brightest of the ministry with them. Following the government and church organization of the WCG was of little importance to them. They would finally have the most unified splinter group that the church had ever seen and would do amazing things. Now 20 years later, UCG is a mess. A major split decimated the ministry and membership. Families, marriages and friendships were ripped apart as members aligned themselves with the camp they felt was most righteous. Various smaller groups have also broken off since then aand members slowly bleed away today out of boredom and lack of inspiration.
UCG has never fully recovered from this relationship shattering event, no matter how much they claim they are united today. Factions still exist, both in the membership and the ministry, that threaten to split the church again.
Expensive media campaigns along with ROKU and AppleTV broadcasts have not drawn in the potential members they were seeking. Infighting and arguing still go on as two camps are divided on changing doctrines and practices. No matter how many times they stand up and deny changes are in the pipeline, people know differently.
Don Ward, another one of God's most important men to have ever graced the COG, preached a sermon recently on the expectation that the UCG members MUST obey the ministry whenever they speak. As conduits of godly government, everything they say and do comes directly from their god and she does not take too kindly to members not following her directions.
You can listen to Ward's sermon here: Church Government and Organization: Is there authority in the church and is it organized?
The COG has always been about authority and power in its ranks. Jesus, the man that makes them really uncomfortable, was all about breaking the chains of oppression from government, rules and regulations. Grace, mercy, and justice were the game changers that thwart the legalists in the church in the time of Jesus just as it does today. That's why all the lies of Malm, Thiel, Pack, and others carry no weight today. People are sick of the legalistic bullshit that keeps getting dumped upon them.
Almost-Arrested Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Joshua, Prophet, Mayan Authority, Bitter Bob listed the contents of his latest sermon that he put up online. These are the topics he talks about in one single sermon that he expects his couple hundred people to listen to on what he calls "the sabbath." Since he continually breaks it, I don't know why he bothers wasting so much time "preparing" his sermons.
After he waves his bible at you and flails his hands about he gets to his topics this week in Part 11 of an ongoing series:
Destruction of the temple
The beginning of sorrows
Put the over-stuffed Bible down and say what you need to say in 15-20 minutes and then sit down!
Meredith writes in his latest member letter:
Back in the late 1940s and early 50s, I saw how Mr. Armstrong—on the radio and in person—described how Germany would rise again and become the leading nation of a coming European Empire. How the United States and Britain would be brought down from our pride and prestige if we did not deeply repent of breaking God’s laws. How we would soon begin to lose control of the vital “sea gates” which God has promised the descendants of Abraham (Genesis 22:17). Later, Mr. Armstrong predicted again and again that the hundreds of thousands of Russian troops, tanks and guns would be withdrawn from the eastern European nations and that the Berlin Wall would come crashing down! I tell you sincerely that all of these specific prophecies Mr. Armstrong proclaimed have come about or are in the process of coming about right now.Meredith says this after talking about the "sea gates" around the world:
Herbert W. Armstrong had the faith and the courage to “stand alone” and proclaim these powerful events in a way that no one else was able to do!Yep, faith and courage to talk about "a strong hand from someplace." He was too embarrassed to talk about his god and had to use coded language so he would not offend people. The main purpose of the creation of the Ambassador International Cultural Foundations was to give him an "in" in countries around the world that would not allow an American cult to otherwise enter. Of course bringing a blank checkbook with him to buy his way into countless countries helped a lot. Who needs the Bible when a checkbook and some Steuben Crystal do a great job in opening doors.
No one in the Church of God had the one on one contact with HWA that Meredith had, to so he claims. Even Dave Pack cannot compare. Because Meredith's track record is one of massive failures, he has to trot out HWA as a safety net.
In the early years of this Work, I had the opportunity to assist Mr. Armstrong for thousands of hours, to have hundreds of meals with him, and to get to know him as a “second father” as God used him to help build the Work of God. Now, at age 86, I am trying to carry on that Work with all my heart and with all my strength.He then has to attack Christianity:
Dear brethren and co-workers, are you personally “stirred to action” by the total collapse of nominal Christianity in our nations, and of the increasing downgrading of decency and human dignity in our present society under the sway of Satan the Devil? Are you, personally, willing to go “all out” to help build the final Work of God which will eventually SHAKE this world before His Son returns?I would think Meredith would have look into the mirror and caught a glimpse of the total collapse of the Church of God over the last 40 some years. Ever since the great Petra fiasco, the church has been shrilling down. The the Tkach empire dealt the deathblow to the church. The church ruptured into hundreds and hundreds of little personality cults all doing nothing. The church cannot even get along with its fellow brethren in other COG's so how in the world will it EVER shake the world?
He then ends with this:
Certainly, all of our lives will eventually come to an end. We will return to the dust. In the sight of God, what will be your legacy and your level of commitment to reach this world with His message at the time of the end? Let all of us do all we can with our time, our talents and our resources to help get Christ’s message to this terribly mixed-up world while we can!What will rod Meredith's legacy be? Being publicly rebuked by Herbert Armstrong? Being sued by Leona McNair? Being sued by the Scarborough's? For stealing all of Global's money, the bankrupting it? For forcing Raymond and Eve McNair to get on their knees in from of him begging forgiveness? For the Milwaukee church slaughter? For ripping apart hundred and hundreds of marriages? For his blatant nepotism? For encouraging Bob Thiel to believe he is some kind of a prophet?
Yep, that is some legacy to be proud of.
One of the Chief Pharaisse's acolytes asked a question the other day on what to do with 1st tithe money if you don't agree with your own church. Of course the Chief Pharsissee had the same response that Bob Thiel always has. He and only he has the truth and the money belongs to him.
The acolyte asks:
The tithe is God’s money and it should be sent to those who are teachers of godliness and of living by every Word of God, not to some corporate church organization which does not keep God’s Word.
Jesus said that we should render to God what is God’s Mark 12:17; He also said that we would know who is of God by their fruits of building on the sure foundation of the Word of God Mat 7.
Look around you: Who is teaching the whole Word of God and studying through the entire Bible, feeding everyone with the solid meat of God’s Word day by day and chapter by chapter? and who is restoring those things that have been forgotten? Who is growing in understanding of God’s Word and is willing to speak the truth to all people?
Who is covering and explaining world events of prophetic significance in detail as they happen, warning the people and presenting in depth studies in BOTH Prophecy and Sound Doctrine?
Discern BETWEEN who is working to turn as many as possible to an enthusiastic Christ-like zeal to live by every Word of God; from those who say “obey us” regardless of the scriptures.
This is the criteria to discern who is of God and who is not. The credentials of a godly work are not ordination by some man or bowing to some corporate entity, but the godliness of the work being done.
Once you have discerned who is of God, then support that person; because God’s money is to do God’s work, which in the New Covenant is to teach every person to live by every Word of God as Jesus did(Mat 4:4, Mat 28). This work gratefully accepts tithes and offerings for the furtherance of the Gospel. Tax deductible in the USA. James
So there you have it. No other man, no other church, and no other web site is doing the mind-bloggling work like Malm is. Dave Pack and Bob Thiel are impotent little wuss's when compared to the forceful message the Church of Malm is doing in getting the word out. Even though he bastardizes the law into something that he thinks is required for new covenant Christians and who has a writer that is of questionable repute, he feels he is the only source of truth for the entire Church of God.
I think we all should chip in and send Malm as salad....as the video above says.
Living Church of God recently posted a picture of their University class and all of its teachers. This is the picture:
With no Festival of Tabernacles in Hawaii this year, the LCG’s Meeting Planner, Jim Meredith, is left with organizing the Charlotte Family Weekend, which again will take place at the Renaissance Charlotte Suites Hotel, December 22-25.
The festivities will begin with a dance on Thursday evening, the 22nd, and finish with a sports day and games night on Sunday the 25th. The Sabbath service will be ‘live-streamed’ over the Internet.
The family weekend is, as Jim Meredith puts it, “a weekend of spiritual rejuvenation, fun, food, and fellowship!” - so different then from the festival that the world celebrates at this time of year.
December 14, 2008: The first trumpet blew (silently). Ron and Laura “began their jobs” while in Jerusalem after a jaunt to Cairo to tour the pyramids.
September 19, 2009: Feast of Trumpets: The end of the zeroeth “time” or 280 days into the not-so-Great Tribulation. With 280 days being a sign of judgment, and Ron being too sick to speak that day.
February 6, 2010: Half-a-time or 140 days after Trumpets, 2009. The PKG members are to fast, but only for one day. Ron promises another barn-burner borer of a sermon this day.
June 26, 2011: Time. Earliest that the European beast power will become active.
November 13, 2011: Time and half-a-time
April 2, 2011: Times
August 20, 2011: Times and half-a-time. Latest that the European beast power becomes active.
January 7, 2012: Time and Times. The 200-million-man Asiatic horde army might not become active until this time. Yet somehow they will be able to assemble, arm, and mobilize this army of unprecedented size in less than 140 days and have it in place in the valley of Megiddo for the last few days of the Great Tribulation
May 22, 2012 at sunrise in Jerusalem: Ron and Laura are killed in the streets of Jerusalem
May 26, 2012: End of Time, Times, and Half-a-Time: Day before Pentecost. Jesus Christ to return at sundown which ends this day and begins Pentecost.
May 27, 2012: Ron and Laura having been resurrected from the streets of Jerusalem begin their new jobs as rulers in God’s Kingdom. False Prophet Ron Weinland
Without FEAR religion would never exist. Without "Holy" books, priests, pastors and religious overlords, there would be no religions. Unfortunately, it is those who appoint themselves as representatives and conduits for "God", who religiously rape the simple minded.
Religion is like quicksand and once you are in its grip, you sink and slowly sink until you are consumed. At that point escape from its suffocation is next to impossible. You cannot see or hear any voice other than your own quicksand.
Admittedly you have never, not even once in your entire life seen "God", or so much as sat down in your home and had a friendly conversation with this "God", that you think you worship and obey and are deathly afraid of.
That being true, then it is not "God" who is the author of your religious beliefs or of your "Holy" books, but rather egotistical, extremely haughty and vain men, who pretend to speak for "God" to you.
Now the bottom line and the real cause of man-made religions---the love of power, control, self and an endless gravy-train of free $money for life; all at the expense of the timid, the fearful, the unknowing, the easily deceived, the naive, the gullible and those who cannot think or reason for themselves.
In our modern day and age there is a veritable wealth of knowledge about the origins of the "Bible", and apart from and outside of the religious parrots or apologists for the so called "Bible." Only when church goers are willing to read and study from the endless array of challenges to the status quo, can they crawl out of the man-made religious quicksand.
You sacrifice not only your own life, but the life of your family and children, when you live in fear of some self-appointed preacher, who will end life in the graveyard. Of course it is human to want to live forever in paradise, but no human priest, pastor or religious overlord is your guarantee of life after death. They may quote verses from ink on paper called "the Bible", but the bible is an entirely man-made collection of human writings never inspired by "God." Do the research and prove it.
If you really want to live, then opt out of submission to religious overlords and set your family free from the hypocrisy of religious priestcraft.
Ron Weinland's description about he and his looney wife Laura is below. As the two witless witnesses they will be filled with POWER as they walk around Jerusalem wearing their clothing of humility. This is before they are killed and left to rot in the streets, of course.
The 7th and last end-time prophetic period of 1,260 days will be the period when God gives His two end-time witnesses the that they have been prophesied to fulfill. Throughout the entirety of the 5th and 6th prophetic end-time periods, these two individuals have been the focus of much ridicule, hatred, mockery and scorn, and during each of these prophetic periods, these two will have fulfilled a specific kind of , yet their major is during the final 1,260 day period.
“And I [Almighty God] will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth” (Rev. 11:3).
Wearing sackcloth is used to symbolize the practice of walkingbefore God. This verse is describing how God’s two end-time witnesses are as they carry out the commission God has given them. Humility is the opposite of , and God has prepared both of these individuals to be able to accomplish the work that is before them in a manner that reflects true justice, mercy, and active living faith. The purpose for the God gives to these two is who are filled with pride and who are refusing to listen to God.
These two witnesses will exercise that power they are given, according to what they themselves determine to use against others for the purpose of stripping them of their pride, just like what was done against Egypt and Pharaoh in the days of Moses.
Although these two are given such great power to use, as they choose, they will not be lifted up in pride because of it. Instead, the use of that power will be reflected in humility because they fully understand that it is from God as a matter of His purpose being worked out, and that it is by such things are accomplished, and no one else’s. These two witnesses understand, mightily so, that all that is taking place is about what God is doing to humble this earth in order to establish His Son as King of kings.
This matter of them wearing sackcloth—of being clothed in humility—is simply the result of God molding and fashioning them into such a state through all that they have had to experience in the previous seven years of those two end-time prophetic periods before this (the 5th and 6th 1,260 days). It is within those periods of time that these two have been ridiculed, mocked, hated, and laterthat they have learned humility on a strong spiritual plane.
The poor old boys at UCG still don't get it. No matter how hard they try they just CANNOT seem to draw in new members.
Vic Kubik writes about their latest campaign and blames poor attendance on lack of gas, weather and the Charlotte riots. Whey these guys did not have the wherewithal to cancel the Charlotte campaign because of the riots shows how out of touch they really are. 300 signed up, 76, showed up, and of that 76 probably 40-50 were UCG members who attend to pad the audience.
On Monday, our Beyond Today Live team returned from North Carolina where we made the America: The Time is Now presentation in Raleigh, Greensboro and Charlotte. We reached a total of people; however, more than people registered to come. We had a few obstacles to our presentations. First, there was a gasoline shortage in the entire state. A gasoline pipeline had broken and gasoline stations did not have adequate fuel. As we traveled, we made certain that our fuel was always above a half tank. Also, there was stormy weather on the first part of the trip and, finally, street protests and unrest in Charlotte (after a black man was killed by police) affected attendance. One person called our pastor, Scott Hoefker, and told him that they really wanted to come, but they were fearful of getting out, not knowing how safe things were in the city.Church of God News reported this about three other UCG campaigns:
The three Beyond Today presentations, ‘America: The Time Is Now’ in North Carolina, drew only 27 new guests in Raleigh, 26 in Greensboro, and 23 in Charlotte (where several who registered did not attend owing to local unrest).
What has finally dawned on the old boys network is that people do not attend campaigns because of the speakers. People attend church because of relationships built with members. This is standard in most churches. The problem in Armstrongism is that members were told to never discuss their faith with nonCOG members. Examples work better at drawing members than does doom and gloom speeches and end of the word nonsense.
Or, UCG may be taking the usual route and blaming members for not being more involved. This is probably more likely since the membership of the COG has never been able to do anything right over the last 8 decades. It was always the members fault that prophecy never happened and Jesus had not returned.
It is becoming more apparent to us that local congregational involvement and engagement will be needed and expected to help increase our attendance. From the home office, we can do only so much to promote these events. Further publicity and encouragement will need to come from local pastors and their congregations.UCG member will soon start being "trained" on how to be proper examples. 20 years after the start of the most godly COG splinter group ever, it still has not been able to get cross to its members just what it is they are supposed to believe.
The personal appearance campaigns are making us more aware of the need to proclaim not only the gospel message, but also to “make disciples.” It is important to teach about the Kingdom of God from the Bible and to expound the scriptures that authoritatively explain God’s vision for the world.The problem with the COG view of a kingdom to come, which all Christians believe, is worthless in a troublesome world. People need to know how to relate to daily struggles, not worry about some end time apocalypse or some idiotic final training in Petra. Most Christians also know that UCG is full of hot air when it comes to perverted doctrines. Until they clean up that mess they are not going to draw in many people.
A disciple develops a deep and secure understanding about the nature and authority of the Word of God. In any discussion with those outside of us you must speak up to establish the basis of your beliefs, which is the Bible. Are you able not only to defend your beliefs, but also defend the authenticity, genuineness and reliability of the Bible?The church has always emphasized that everyone had to "prove" everything. That is a load of garbage. It is dwelling in the mystery and the unanswerable questions that have always inspired people through the centuries. Living and believing in that tension is far more profitable than parked in front of some poorly researched correspondence course and proof texting scripture or reading legalistic web sites like James Malm and Dave Pack where they lie through their teeth.
The glory days of UCG are over. It will NEVER be a great work.
The false prophet from Arroyo Grande, CA is weighing in today on the ICANN internet issue that may happen this weekend. Doomdayers are predicting all kinds of scenarios, but none are as absurd as Almost Arrested, Self-Appointed, Elisha, Elijah, Joshua, Famous Amos, Chief Overseer, Prophet, Apostle, 1/2 of Two Witnesses, Bob Thiel. Only he is silly enough to think that this issue will have a direct impact upon his false ministry. He thinks that Baron von Gutenberg, the Hadron Collider and the Catholic Church will join up together in a holy triumvirate to wage war on his pathetic little church.
The deliberate lies and self-deception of these false self appointed COG leaders is appalling.
You will notice that the lying false prophet now thinks he is one of the two witnesses. Thiel and Laura Weinland have a great work ahead of them!
One or more associated with the Continuing Church of God will be identifying that the European “prince” (Daniel 9:26-27) who is rising up to become a king, as not being able to truly bring peace, but instead will bring war and will be in league with the final Antichrist.
We will also be warning that the idea of a human-led utopia that the UN and others are pushing is false and that it is only through Jesus’ return and the gospel of the kingdom that such a utopian condition will happen.
This will likely trigger major media coverage.
Scrutiny of real, as well as claimed, COG literature will likely happen towards the end and various aspects of real and incorrect COG doctrines will likely be ridiculed. Media coverage would then be expected to cover more of the COG message (cf. The Gospel of the Kingdom of God) and this may be associated with the “short work” of Romans 9:28.
We in the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) are preparing for the ‘short work’ by establishing multiple websites in multiple languages, while researching and making available information on church history, doctrine, and prophecy, while also proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world as a witness.
Since the true Church of God is so small, it is highly likely that it getting significant media coverage will help fulfill Matthew 24:14. Some of the Philadelphia remnant will be explaining that it is Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God and not the rise of a militaristic leader that the world needs. According to Daniel 11:32 it is “the people who know their God [that] shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.” Hundreds of millions, if not billions, will receive at least a partial witness. All of that will likely trigger the King of the North to take actions that lead to the end–this includes the persecutions, pre- (Daniel 7:25a, 11:29-36) and post-tribulation (Daniel 7:25b).
We Philadelphian Christians know there will be persecution and the work will be stopped and then the end will come, because of what Jesus taught:
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:9-14).
Notice the following which this ICANN move might impact:
11 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,“That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the Lord.
12 They shall wander from sea to sea,
And from north to east;
They shall run to and fro, seeking the word of the Lord,
But shall not find it. (Amos 8:11-12)
The above could only happen in the 21st century if the internet was down and/or internet content related to the truth of God was no longer permitted. Governments are taking steps which look to be able to bring this about–turning over the control of ICANN possibly may affect this.
ICANN is to be an international body starting tomorrow. This will tend to make its decisions out of the jurisdiction of American courts. This will allow it to be able to censor basically at will. Instead of first amendment protections, Americans will be subject to international whims and things like ‘community standards’–standards that already have been shown to be in conflict with scripture. If ICANN is pressured to pull some or all of our proclaiming Christ’s Gospel of the Kingdom of God message off the internet, this will cause a famine of the word, and perhaps the one prophesied in Amos 8.
Gerald Flurry's warrior God is alive and well in the latest article from the Philadelphia Church of God. It is an article telling the story of the Zulu's and the British soldiers in South Africa. The rise of Shaka Zulu and his warriors and the British soldiers holds as much significance to PCG elite as does the Bible. It is important for Flurry to have a warrior god that constantly is fighting.
Towards the end of the article, PCG members are reminded that they are to look to Edmond as the seat of all knowledge and leadership. Edmond is the headquarters for the small remnant of true believers that posses all truth. Bob Thiel does not have it. James Malm does not. Dave Pack does not. UCG certainly does not. All good PCG soldiers should look to the general at HQ for truth. After all, they are too dumb to figure it out themselves.
This third point, then, is we must learn to keep our eyes on headquarters. Is Jesus Christ divided? Of course not (1 Corinthians 1:13). We have many proofs that He is only working through the small remnant of the Philadelphia Church of God; but even if we only had one proof, the Work would be enough. Christ said, “Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father” (John 14:11-12).
A greater work was done through God’s Elijah, Herbert W. Armstrong. That great Work continues today through God’s prophet, Gerald Flurry. We must focus our attention on the Work and where it is being done. We must keep our eyes on headquarters—Edmond, Oklahoma. Losing sight of whom God has placed in charge of His Work will cause us to become battle casualties. The Soldiers of the King
Gerald Flurry is again promoting the "fact" that Jesus will return to earth to sit in this very chair. Of course you will notice that the Stone of Scone is missing. Not for long though. The Philadelphia Church of God will take possession of the stone from Scotland and return it to its rightful place in Westminster Abbey so Jesus can sit on it. This will happen around the same time that PCG will dig up the Ark of the Covenant buried in Hill Tara in Ireland.
Here is what Gerald Flurry has to say about Hill Tara:
Irish annals show that when Jeremiah migrated to Ireland, he brought with him more than just the princess of Judah who carried on David’s throne. “Besides the royal family, Jeremiah brought with them some remarkable things,” Mr. Armstrong continued, “including a harp,, and a wonderful stone called ‘lia-fail,’ or ‘stone of destiny’” (op. cit., emphasis mine).
The “stone of destiny” is also called “Jacob’s pillar stone.” It is the stone the patriarch Jacob set up to memorialize the promise God made to him in Genesis 28—that his descendants would become as numerous as “the dust of the earth.” This stone remained with the nation of Israel throughout its history. And when Jeremiah fled Jerusalem, he took this stone with him.
We know where this stone is today: It is in Scotland, in Edinburgh Castle. In recent years, faithless critics have tried to discredit the origins of this stone—but for hundreds of years its true origins were widely accepted and understood. Queen Elizabeth was crowned over it, as was Tea-Tephi’s royal son anciently.
Notice that along with that stone, Jeremiah brought the ark of the covenant on his journey to Ireland!
This knowledge, too, was not uncommon until relatively recently. F. R. A. Glover, who ascertained that the British monarchy was aware of its linkage to King David, wrote extensively about these objects having made their way to Ireland with Jeremiah. His book England the Remnant of Judah and the Israel of Ephraim records this history.
Glover stated that the grave of Queen Tea-Tephi lies in the Hill of Tara, the origin of Irish history. In his research, he found that she had been buried with the two stone tablets of the Ten Commandments, along with the ark of the covenant. Finding the Ark of the CovenantThen, following in HWA's linguistic missteps he has this to say about the word Torah and Tara:
Note that! Tara comes from torah—God’s law! There is a well-known connection between the famous Tara Hill and the law of God!
According to these archaeologists and historians, these tablets were buried with Tea-Tephi in Tara Hill! Why don’t we hear more about this history? It is clearly recorded in Ireland’s history books. This simply cannot be chalked up as a “legend” or “myth” of Irish history!
Don’t you think it might galvanize a lot of people if the ark were found, and the Ten Commandments on those two tables of stone were inside? Finding the Ark of the CovenantFlurry then says that scripture points to Hill Tara and the Ark of the Covenant as the focus that should be upon humanity.
Prophecy shows that God is going to do some dramatic things to warn this world of the Great Tribulation and Day of the Lord just before His Second Coming. The period leading up to Christ’s return is going to be the worst suffering in human history. That is the horrifying end result of mankind’s vile sins! God wants to warn people in advance to help as many as possible to repent before that time comes so they don’t have to experience it.
If the ark were discovered, wouldn’t that be a powerful witness to the world? I believe it would be. Proof that the biblical chronicle is accurate could help lead some to repentance. The ark’s discovery would even point people to where God’s message was being proclaimed, and help them to realize that even though they heard it and didn’t act on it, that message was right and was from God. Finding the Ark of the CovenantIf you follow in the slightest Christian beliefs a person quickly sees that Flurry has placed the focus upon created physical things and not on Jesus. Jesus be damned as they dig up Hill Tara in a few years. They need the physical things that the law condemns them with instead of the One that sets them free.