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- 10/30/18--12:54: _Remembering Spokesm...
- 10/31/18--13:45: _"What I am doing is...
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- 10/31/18--21:51: _It Was All Greek!
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- 10/27/18--07:26: C WAYNE COLE: A Prophecy Of The Future For The Church
- 10/27/18--14:52: Just Another Typical Sabbath Day Sermon
- 10/28/18--06:04: We Are Not Qualified to Counsel in Some Areas of Sex and Marriage.
- 10/28/18--17:48: Gerald Weston's Church Wide Fast Bust
- 10/28/18--18:03: An LCG Member Comments on Life in Church
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There are several people posting to this site who either:
• Sat in one of RCM's Ambassador College classes
• Worked under him while he was WCG's director of the ministry
• Accepted a paycheck from him after he started the Global Church of God
• Went to youth camps with his children
• Ate dinner as a guest in his home
• Had access to his LCG Masterfile (member/coworker/subscriber database)
• Sat in the congregation and heard him speak so disgustingly that mothers left the room with their children.
• Sat in his office after being "counseled" by the lying Rod McNair, and heard him say horrible things
• Read his court depositions in which he slandered some brethren and denied knowledge of matters that he clearly had knowledge of.
Yes, I am sure that some people who post here are exaggerating their experiences because they are still badly hurt by what happened, and they cannot yet look back coldly and rationally at what they experienced with Rod Meredith. Yes, it is obvious that people sometimes speculate stupidly or tell outright lies. However, if you want to defend LCG, you would be better off defending Gerald Weston or Doug Winnail or other LCG leaders who haven't revealed their flawed character to so many people over so many years.
As for me? I spent my first few LCG years aware that RCM wasn't perfect, but sure that most of the stories about him must be lies. Then, as my family got to know him better, I started seeing more things that made me question, but for more years I put those questions out of my mind. Eventually, thank God, I could not deny that RCM simply did not meet the Bible standard for a church leader, which meant that I was under no obligation to support him as the leader of LCG.
As for you? Maybe you are an insider who already has seen much and already has some private doubts, but who feels an obligation to defend LCG even against your conscience. If so, I hope you change before your conscience is seared in defending evil. Or maybe you are an outsider, as I was for a while, sincerely believing that RCM was God's anointed and sure that the stories about him were falsehoods told by bitter ex-members. If so, you will be disappointed eventually, so I hope the disappointment comes soon and does not hurt you too badly.
Whichever may be your situation, ask yourself honestly: Have you seen provable evidence that LCG ministers have any special God-given aptitude for counseling? I have seen marriages ruined that were salvageable. I have seen parent/child relationships poisoned. I have seen careers derailed by stupid ministerial counsel. The people who flourish in LCG are the ones who ignore ministerial counsel until they are somewhat successful and wealthy, at which point the ministry shifts from abuse to flattery as their preferred method of control.
- 10/28/18--21:18: Dave Pack: The Shoe of the Unconverted
- 10/29/18--10:28: Dave Pack Loses Jeff Ambrose, His 2nd In Command
- 10/29/18--15:22: Gerald Flurry: Biblical Abraham Founded Salzburg Austria
- 10/30/18--12:54: Remembering Spokesmen Club: The Attack Speech
- 10/31/18--14:16: Halloween Hysteria Is Back Again In the Churches of God
- 10/31/18--21:51: It Was All Greek!
- 11/01/18--12:08: Reviewing The Claims: "What Kind of Perverted Pleasure do they Get?"
- 11/01/18--20:17: Is there "Hope" in Living Church of God?
- 11/02/18--17:17: "No Man Can Shut the Door", Armstrong said about WCG.
"Quite often I cross paths with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, but he works in an official capacity. I work in an unofficial capacity."
"I'm glad you're going to get to see a little something of Prince Mikasaa. He's a very close friend of mine."
"When King Leopold was visiting me in my home in Pasadena - and we were having quite a group in my home for dinner one evening"
"He said he wanted to award that fourth watch to me"
"Back in 1914, I pioneered in making a survey of business and social conditions in a little town of Kentucky in the United States.It was published in a national magazine."
"In my early business life, I was thrown constantly in contact with successful men. I mean presidents and board chairman of our largest industrial corporations in the United States and the largest banks in New York and Chicago."
"Well, I have solved a lot of these things"
"I have solved the missing dimension"
"Someday all of humanity is going to wake up to it."
"I found the answer to many of them"
"Get and give"
"I've attended many businessman conventions"
"I've found that two banks will look at each other with jealous eyes"
"There was a great teacher who said it's more blessed to give than to receive."
"I began to put that principle into practice 40 years ago. I've been giving ever since. I've been on the giving side and not the getting side. I have built three colleges and they're based on that principle, and we try to base all life on that principle."
"Just recently Ambassador College won an award for the most beautiful, best landscaped, and best maintained campus of any college or university of the United States. And I think you'll pardon me if I'm just a little bit proud of that."
"We have no friction between students and faculty or faculty and administration - nothing but cooperation."
"There was one very wise man who wrote that everything is vanity anyway."
"Give or get."
"But for 40 years now, I have been sharing the things that I have discovered and that I know... knowledge that religion has never given us... it's outside the scope of religion."
"I've discussed these conditions with heads of state all over the world and I get quite a bit of input from them to add to this knowledge. It's cumulative."
This was no "Gospel of the Kingdom of God." This was the Herbert Armstrong Accomplishment Traveling Autobiography Lecture - on Giving, Getting, and The Missing Dimension in Education. He gave God NO Credit in his lectures for anything he learned at all. It was all Herbert. All the time. The Apostle Paul preached Christ and Him Crucified. Herbert Armstrong lectured heads of state on his accomplishments and what he learned - without substance, with much pride and boasting.
This is what we paid for.
Exodus 24 (Biblegateway)
3 When Moses went and told the people all the Lord’s words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the Lord has said we will do.”
4 Moses then wrote down everything the Lord had said.
He got up early the next morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain and set up twelve stone pillars representing the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 Then he sent young Israelite men, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as fellowship offerings to the Lord.
6 Moses took half of the blood and put it in bowls, and the other half he splashed against the altar.
7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.”
8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up
10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky.
11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
13 Then Moses set out with Joshua his aide, and Moses went up on the mountain of God.
14 He said to the elders, “Wait here for us until we come back to you. Aaron and Hur are with you, and anyone involved in a dispute can go to them.”
15 When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it,
16 and the glory of the Lord settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the Lord called to Moses from within the cloud.
17 To the Israelites the glory of the Lord looked like a consuming fire on top of the mountain.
18 Then Moses entered the cloud as he went on up the mountain. And he stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights.
The Sabbath Covenant, Exodus 31:(Biblegateway)
12 Then the Lord said to Moses, 13 “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”
18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.
Now back to HWA's reasoning: January 13, 1976, Bulletin:
"For example, in the Old Testament the old covenant of the law is referred to as the "everlasting covenant" (Lev.24:8) implying that it was to endure for eternity. Yet the New Testament records that the first covenant was "done away" and "abolished" 2Cor.3:11,13. God "has made the first old" Heb.8:13. Either God is confused, or else translators have rendered the text inaccurately. Since the former cannot be true, it is incumbent upon us to search out the exact meanings of words and to find the answers to such discrepancies.
The Aaronic priesthood is spoken of as "an everlasting priesthood" Ex. 40:15. If "everlasting" means "eternal," then the direct descendants of Aaron and only they, would be allowed to function as priests, and this for all time. Yet Heb.7:14-18 declares an end to the Aaronic priesthood and a new priesthood after the order of Melchizedek. Peter describes the church as "a spiritual house, an holy priesthood" (1Ptr.2:5), a statement which John confirms when he writes that by Jesus' blood the church has been cleansed from sin and made "kings and priests unto God" Rev.1:6. Thus in the above Exodus reference, "ever-lasting" cannot possibly mean "everlasting."
The children of Israel were to "observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant" Ex.31:16. Yet Paul states there remains "another day" of Sabbath rest for people of God" Heb.4:8,9. Though translators may have used the word "perpetual," the Holy Spirit disproves this choice of words, exposing it as incorrect.
The misuse of words expressing "unlimited duration" when specific time periods were intended is most obvious in the following cases. Jonah was not in the fish's belly "forever" Jon.2:6. A bondslave could not possibly serve his master "forever" Ex.21:6. God did not dwell in Solomon's temple "forever" 1Kg.8:13.
The Hebrew word from which the aforementioned "everlasting,""perpetual" and "forever" were translated, is "olam." Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies by William Wilson, gives the meaning of "olam" as "duration of time which is concealed or hidden." In other words, an unknown length of time. Though it may have been a very long or even indeterminable period of time, the sense that it would come to an end was always there. This concurs with our New Testament texts which confirm that indeed these established practices were abolished and replaced with something better. The King James translators would have been more accurate to record that the old covenant and its priesthood were for an "age of time.""
It is the Sabbath in Church of Godland and people are heading off to services to be edified in the word of God, well...except for one Church of God. You will be heading off to services to listen to a tape of your leader expounding for 1 hour 16 minutes on Masonry.
Forget learning about the awesome significance of how Jesus came, what he did, and what was accomplished or coming in to be edified in your Christian walk by learning godly principles or being inspired to be a type of Christian that emulates the Good Samaritan. Nope, you will never hear any of that in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, but you will hear all about Masons and Freemasonry.
This is what happens when your church leader has never had a proper biblical education and every truly practiced exegesis and hermeneutics.
This is what happens when a church member is spoonfed answers to every topic under the sun by a church that claimed to have all the answers about everything and then proceeded to put those "answers" into booklets, form letters, and correspondence courses.
This is what happens when church leaders don't understand who Jesus is and what he accomplished.
This is why some self-appointed church leaders of today were consistently overlooked and bypassed along the way for ordination to leadership positions in the church. That is why doubly-blessed Bob Thiel can only wildly-jester a sermon by pulling out of the file cabinet a form letter or a booklet off the shelf about a topic his mother church had previously deemed spiritual significant.
Almost immediately after Living Church of God settled in at home after experiencing a foretaste of the millennial life, Gerald Weston instituted a church-wide fast. Apparently, fresh off that millennial experience, LCG members had immediately retreated back to their sin-filled lives, so much so that Weston needed them to repent, again. After all, it is always the memberships fault that LCG has issues and not those in leadership positions.
Weston mentions in his latest HQ update that 4,200 people watched the streaming program. If one is to believe that total, one has to then question the total membership that LCG has listed on Wikipedia of 11,300 members. Is Weston subliminally saying below that 7,100 members did not bother to listen to the streamed service? Did well over half of the LCG membership chose not to fast? Did they all skip services?
Most of us realize the totals listed for membership counts on any COG Wikipedia listing is a load of crap. LCG no more has 11,300 active members than Grace Communion International has 50,000 active members in 900 congregations.
Also below, Weston tells the LCG faithful that the church is dropping many of its television stations as an act of good stewardship. As LCG programs become more and more irrelevant to people's lives, more and more stations will be dropped. Its message in its programs carries little that people can relate to in a messy world. After all, vaping is much more important than helping people understand the meaning of life while living in a messy world. Pretending to preach about a kingdom to come has little significance to people who experience serious illness, death, war, and other tragedies of life. If comfort cannot be implemented in the present day life, what good is a kingdom message to those people?
Sadly, in the COG movement, words are more important than getting one's hands dirty in the everyday life of those around them. When was the last time an LCG member fed the homeless, cleaned up a prostitute, gave a drug addict a warm meal or invited an immigrant family or a Muslim to sit at their table during the Thanksgiving meal?
Instead of declaring a fast for the LCG membership next year, how about cancelling church services that Saturday and instruct members to spend the day feeding the homeless? In Charlotte, LCG's home base, 1,668 people are without shelter on any given night. Imagine what a warm meal or some blankets might feel like to these people What a foretaste of the kingdom that "might" represent to some of them if LCG did its gospel message right!
Fasting to torture oneself in order to please the elite LCG leadership or getting one's hands dirty caring for the other, which one would the God of the Living Church of God find more pleasing?
October 25, 2018 By Gerald Weston Greetings from Charlotte,
Reports indicate that the live stream of last week’s service during the fast transmitted very well. Approximately 3,800 successfully viewed the program in English, with another nearly 400 viewing the Spanish translation, for a total of about 4,200. Final edits of the November/December Living Church News are being made. There is an important article regarding the relatively new phenomenon of e-cigarettes and vaping, and I hope all of you will take time to read it, as it contains a lot of good information that is not widely known about this new and popular habit. We are attempting to build up our television presence with strategically placed stations. Sunday, November 11, Tomorrow’s World will begin airing over KRCW Portland, Oregon at 7:00 a.m. Cost per response (CPR) varies from station to station and we drop those stations that do not produce well in favor of newer stations. This can sometimes cut our CPR in half. I mention this because members are understandably disappointed when we drop a station in their area, but we must remember that the primary purpose for the program is to preach the Gospel to the world. We hope all of you watch the program where you can, but we must concentrate on our first priority and be good stewards of the resources available. Remember, the telecasts can be accessed at any time at our website, www.TomorrowsWorld.org. We will continue to drop stations that do not produce well, try new stations, and retain those that are producing. Although television is not as effective as it once was, television is still a powerful tool in doing the Work.—Gerald Weston
Just when you think the craziness of the Church of God could not get any worse, along comes Philadelphia Church of God's Gerald Flurry and Ryan Malone to complete the picture.
Did you know that Abraham founded the city of Salzburg in Austria? He either stopped off there on his way to Ireland where he dropped off the Ark of the Covenant or when he was returning home to Palestine. Abraham was also a musical genius who designated the musical patterns used in Austria to this day. Abraham had the foresight to know that the Von Trapp Family singers would eventually make the city famous far more famous than he ever would.
Anyone who has been a part of the Church of God for a few years will certainly know the story of another person that sought to rule the universe and was cast down. That same arrogance is what feeds the so-called ministries of various COG leaders today.
"To all COG members out there:
It is that time of year again and Bob Thiel is hiding behind his faded curtains in his crooked den all hot and bothered by Halloween. His hysteria is typical of so many of the self-righteous leaders of various COG's this time of year. They have meltdowns over kids having some fun while they ruin families and their members lives mentally, physically and spiritually, with abusive policies and outright demonic teachings.
October is quickly flying by, meaning it’s time for the traditional Christian hand-wringing over that most “demonic” of holidays, Halloween! In anticipation of the usual anti-Halloween propaganda, I offer the following observations about this alleged “satanic festival of evil”:
First, there’s no need to point out that Halloween is not found in Leviticus 23. (Duh.) Leviticus 23 is obsolete and irrelevant anyway. Second, forget the lengthy dissertation about how the papacy (the alleged “image of the beast” and “great whore”) instituted the Roman Catholic celebrations of “All Hallows Eve” and “All Saints Day”. That, too, is irrelevant. Today’s Halloween has nothing to do with honoring Christian saints. For most, Halloween long ago ceased being viewed as a religious observance—and never was, by Americans.
The Halloween that many of us know today is largely an American phenomenon. And it’s a purely secular observance.
This seriously has to be WORSE than his dating fiasco!
Who in the hell does he expect to impress with this mess?
As if Jesus would EVER set foot in the IMPROPERLY named "continuing" Church of God!
The Value of Hope: Having a powerful hope for the future—something positive and inspiring to look forward to—is a vital aspect of life. Many have long understood that life without hope is empty. The Bible also states, “Hope deferred makes the heart sick” (Proverbs 13:12). But what is the real hope in life for a Christian? King David wrote, “You are my hope, O Lord GOD” and “I hope in Your word” (Psalm 71:5; 119:147). David was referring to the promises that God makes in the Bible. The Apostle Paul said under cross-examination before a Roman governor, “I have hope in God… believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets… that there will be a resurrection of the dead” and “hope of eternal life… looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (Acts 24:14–15; Titus 1:2; 2:13). We are urged as Christians “to lay hold of the hope set before us” (Hebrews 6:18) and to purify ourselves so we can become “children of God” (1 John 3:1–3). With this hope in mind, we need to “be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15). We need to be motivated by this same hope today!Have a profitable Sabbath,Douglas S. Winnail
Can "hope" really be found in LCG when they place the law above Jesus? That inconvenient dude still pushes their buttons.
Are you ready to be revived so you can be the bride of Christ? Are you ready to have the law heaped upon you till you can no longer carry its burden? Are you ready to be treated like a worthless worm in order to prepare you for the emergence of the two witless (COG) witnesses? Are you ready for a worldwide revival in the Church of God, led by our very own Chief Pharisee?
Rod Meredith, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, Gerald Flurry and Bob Thiel have all failed to spark any revival in the church, so what makes our law enforcer, James Malm, think he is going to spark some mind-shattering revival in the church?
Never has the Church of God had a man in its midst who can bastardize the law as much as James Malm has. He tries to appear as an agent of light, but he is not. All he brings is darkness to the human soul.
2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV /And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
"No Man Can Shut the Door", Armstrong said about WCG.
This Guy Didn't Just Shut the Door. He SLAMMED it.
All Kinds of Men Try So Hard To Reopen The Door.
It's Still Locked.And all the gesturing, the YouTube videos, the books, the arguments, the attempts to grow have not and will not succeed.
Why?Because what they preach is not this.
Jeff Ambrose, David C Pack's right-hand man and 2nd in charge of the Restored Church of God resigned recently. As usual, Satan is trotted out as attempting to destroy the church instead of allowing the man to finally walk with his conscience and do what was right for him and his family.
Here is the letter that the Restored Church of God sent out to its members.
Dear brethren,Greetings from a cool and breezy Headquarters. We hope this finds all of you doing well and enjoying a profitable week.As would be expected, trials continue to come upon God’s people to build up their faith and patience so characterized by the “poor of the flock” (Jam. 1:3; Zech. 11:11). Coming off of a most joyous and uplifting Feast, it should be no surprise that Satan would try to rob us of “our days of prosperity” (see Ecc. 7:14). In the remaining time we have until Christ returns to Earth, it is not strange that God would allow these final tests to prepare His people. Sometimes this comes upon the whole Church when a senior leader departs.We regret to inform you that Mr. Jeff Ambrose and his family have decided to leave the Church. They bear no ill will and expressed their personal gratitude to Mr. Pack for having lived in such a beautiful place for the last couple of years.He offered an open explanation as to why they felt they could no longer continue. In his resignation letter, Mr. Ambrose expressed that they had “a fundamental difference in belief.” He has very carefully assured us that he has no plans to attack anyone but rather desires to leave quietly and in peace. He also clearly stated that he has no intentions of starting his own group or joining any other religious organization. It appears that after a lifetime in God’s Church, he wants to leave the ministry and organized religion altogether! (Keep this in mind when you listen to Part 145 this Sabbath.)Additionally, Mr. Ambrose stated that “fairly serious, and permanent, health problems” caused by stress as the other driver compelling him to take action. This is never a reason to leave God’s Church! No one knew the full extent of his difficulties and he never sought advice from any us—even the medical doctor who was in the office next to him.Obviously, this is not easy news for any of us to receive. The Ambroses have been in the Church for many years and served in various facets of the Work. As we did here, we are sure you are battling the same shock of this announcement. Rest assured that everyone on our Headquarters staff, Mr. Pack and all the ministry, including all our field ministers, are doing well. Everyone understands that this has happened before and is the pattern of centuries in God’s Church. No one is shaken.The apostle Paul—whom God used to record the identity of the Man of Sin and warn the Church for three years during his time—knew himself that we only understand prophetic events “darkly,” meaning obscure or enigma (I Cor. 13:12). In the context of this is where God explains the most important thing for all of us to build is godly love, that is keeping His commandments in order to build His character and qualify to become part of His Family (I John 5:3; Ecc. 12:13; Eph. 3:15-20). It is vital that we do not lose sight of this—the Big Picture and ultimately the end goal. Time is short and this age is growing very thin!Remember, our “adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour” (I Pet. 5:8). Do not give him an opportunity. We should all take this announcement as an admonition to pray for one another, fellow brethren in Christ, as we near the end. We hope that we will one day see the Ambroses again in God’s Church and pray that it will be much sooner than later.Your steadfastness and faithful service are greatly appreciated, and we are praying for you daily. Stay fervent, stand firm, be sober and watch unto prayer—our salvation is sooner than we thought.Mr. Pack will add additional comments and context throughout the sermon given at Headquarters this Sabbath (heard on November 3). In the meantime, if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact your local minister.In Christ’s service,Brad Schleifer and Greg Kaidannek