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- 08/01/17--07:37: Glenn Washington: NPR's Great Black Hope
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- 08/05/17--06:55: Art Mokarow Dies
- 08/06/17--22:57: Dave Pack, The Cowardly Lion
- 08/07/17--10:00: Is It Profitable To Seek "Wise Counsel" From A COG Minister?
- 08/07/17--13:47: Church of God Big Sandy Scandal Continues
- 08/08/17--21:07: UCG and its leadership problems
- 08/09/17--22:00: Allie Dart Has Died
- 08/10/17--09:27: Ambassador Properties For Sale
From The Atlantic:
Glynn Washington is a former COG member who shares stories of his life growing up in Armstrongism.
NPR’s Great Black HopeThe radio network’s stereotypical listener is a 50-something white guy. Can Glynn Washington, the fastest-rising public-radio star in memory, change that?
Read the full story here.
Many NPR hosts come from NPR-ish families. Not Washington. “I grew up in a cult,” he told me. His parents were members of the Worldwide Church of God, a sect founded by Herbert W. Armstrong, an apocalyptic radio evangelist based in Pasadena. Washington got out—a story he tells with an escapee’s pride—and went on to the University of Michigan and its law school. He studied in Japan, then worked for the State Department, then ended up directing a program at the University of California at Berkeley. Some of the best Snap Judgment segments are drawn from his own life, and you get the feeling he could carry several episodes a year by himself.
More stories that appeared here on Banned:
Glynn Washington: The Reunion
Glynn Washington: The Son of Ham
From the Church of God News:
Dale Schurter was sidelined 18 months ago, but he has now been restored to the fold. David Pack began part 82 of his latest sermon series by announcing that:
“Mr. Dale Schurter is actively serving in the ministry again; doing much better and that’s wonderful - at the young age of 80, about two weeks ago today ... So he’s serving as the Associate Pastor with Mr. McElroy in Dayton, Ohio.”
Both Dale Schurter and Larry McElroy moved to RCG from the United Church of God.COGNews continues with this bit from Dave on the almost ready to surge membership of the RCG.
Pack then talked once more about the surge of people who will be wanting to join RCG ... “it should be obvious if you think this through, that it becomes exponential. The people who are excited enough to get others to come and who come, are therefore, going to react, logically, the same way that the excited people who urged them did, and they’re going to go out and do the same thing. And then, that’s going to double and so forth.”
Using the concept of a penny doubling every day and becoming $11 billion after 40 days, he muses ... “here in Ezekiel 33 we’re talking about people. So if one tells two and then two tell four and four tell eight ... it would be on about Day 36 when you get to almost 700 million ... and then if you went four more days, you would go way beyond the total population of Earth.Dave is anticipating 2,000 members to soon join up with his group, but more importantly, he has his eyes on their money!
Now obviously, God has to bless that process...” Is that where his analogy fails?
Two weeks previously, in part 80, he exclaimed ... “we’re starting to take off again. You can imagine with our budget. And staggering numbers. I would anticipate within 2, 3, 4 months at the most, over 2,000 households are going to ask to come to church. An awful lot of them are going to stay 12 weeks, or they don’t come at all, the vast majority. Low, single digits will be the only ones that come, and then how many even stay?”
“Staggering numbers” ask to come to church, but hardly any come, and fewer stay, even for a short time.Of course, those newcomers are in for a rude shock. Dave has set up strict incorporation guidelines for any potential members. A loyal RCG minion MUST first visit with them in their homes. Then, if approved, they will be forced to go through the same "eye washing" that Dale Schurter went through.
Before being allowed to come to church, each household must be visited by an RCG minister, and that seems to be enough to put most people off attending.
Dave Pack Drags Dale Schurter Out of the Reeducation Camp to Introduce the Most IMPORTANT Agricultural Program On Earth
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Bang...you're dead! It also says he fell down first and then died. I would think that having the Holy Spirit strike you down would be more of a "he died and fell down." Just a thought.
Art Mokarow, a one-time minister of the Worldwide Church of God has died. After his departure from WCG he went on to claim he was a successful business man, but could never break his ties to Armstrongism. He was so steeped in the teachings of the church that he set himself up as another splinter with a supposed inside track to the "truth once delivered." He went on to write a prolific number of books that he calmed "proved" he was right on all kinds of subjects.
In February fo 2010, Mokarow had a public debate with Dennis Diehl. Following is part 1 of that debate (from the Journal).
WHITEHOUSE, Texas--Two former Worldwide Church of God pastors met for a one-of-a-kind event near Tyler, Texas, Feb. 21, 2010. They got together in a Church of God setting to debate whether the Bible is the inspired Word of God or not.
Art Mokarow, an 82-year-old former administrator and church pastor who left the WCG in 1979, went head to head with Dennis Diehl, a 60-year-old former WCG pastor who, since his departure from the WCG in 1998, has decided he is no longer a believer in the inerrancy and literalism of the Bible.
Mr. Mokarow, who lives in Conroe, Texas, was assisted and backed up by a friend, 62-year-old Bible scholar and former Baptist preacher from North Little Rock, Ark., Ron Moseley.
Mr. Diehl didn't mind
Dr. Moseley, who has two doctor's degrees and has studied at numerous colleges and universities, does not have a WCG background although he is a Sabbatarian Christian.
Mr. Mokarow, some weeks before the debate, checked to see if Mr. Diehl--who does believe in God although no longer in the Bible--would mind if Dr. Moseley participated, even though Dr. Moseley's participation would mean the debate would pit two against one.
But Mr. Diehl, who lives in Greenville, S.C., said that arrangement would be fine with him.
So, sitting on one side during the invariably civil discussion were Mr. Mokarow and Dr. Moseley and on the other Mr. Diehl.
The location was the building owned by the Tyler Sabbath Fellowship, whose membership and board, including elders Gary Woodring and Dennis Hughes, welcomed the debaters and the approximately 20 people who watched and listened for more than three hours on a Sunday afternoon.
You can read Part 1 of the debate here, and Part 2, here.
How did such an event come to be?
I’ve struggled and struggled and struggled throughout my ministry, and it just bothered Mr. Armstrong to no end that he would ordain men who were not of God at all! “How could I…” He’d beat himself up. And I tried to learn from what he did, and I made many of the same mistakes! You look and you try to see who has the Holy Spirit. And it would just…he was befuddled—“I made men evangelists, who didn’t even have the Spirit of God!” Paul worked closely with two future popes!I’ve ordained a lot of men, who were as converted as turnips, and it would bother me, because I would read the parable of the wheat and tares, and there were people who supposedly could tell the difference between the wheat and tares. And if you had the spirit of discernment, you can do a little better. But why was it I could never tell…You’re baptizing a person…You can’t tell…Did they receive the Spirit? You ordained a deacon…was he really converted? Or a deaconess, or an elder, or an evangelist. Do you see my point?I’ve watched this for decades and the Church, in many ways, is in the “God ordained and appointed” mess that it’s in because of a whole lot of thieves and robbers, who climbed up, and nobody could see that they were! Why? And what does that have to do with the parable of the wheat and tares? And what does that have to do with being able to see the Kingdom? I’m going to explain it to you, and when I was talking to a lady, yesterday, she immediately got goose bumps. We were talking about this…so I think you will, too, but first, let’s read the parable of the wheat and tares.
God's greatest gift to humanity is none other than Dave Pack. No man in human history has ever been as awesome as he is, nor have run a church that is so superfantabulous!
I’m going to get into some things that this old shepherd struggled with, because I pastored—for decades of my life—thousands and thousands of people, and I know what “organized compactly” means, because I had to do it. I don’t even know many times. Just my time in Global, I actually built 43 congregations. I know a little something about it. Then there’s RCG. and there’s decades of my experience in Worldwide, where I worked with thousands and thousands of people. So I know what it means to be together and not—and to be close-jointed together and compacted together.
And I’ve come to understand, over time, why all of my pastorates in the Worldwide Church of God, as I entered…train-wrecks, fouled up…minister after minister, as I said last week, fired, suspended, or quit. And as I said, if President Trump likes to say he inherited a mess…I always inherited a mess and I learned how to do what we’re going to have to do. I know how to do it fast. I know how to do it worldwide. I know how to do it with people in many countries and languages, and coming from many groups. I know how to do it. It is my training for my whole life. And we’re going to have to do it. We’re going to have to prepare people for what is coming.
And now you better understand our task of preparing them. I know exactly what I’m talking about, and I’ve been uniquely prepared for this. There are many things I can’t do, brethren, many things you can’t do and many you can. There are many, many things I cannot do; but I’ve been trained to do certain things. I know how to build a pastorate. It makes no difference to me, none whatsoever, whether it’s a 100…I’ve had small pastorates. I’ve built little tiny ones. I had a pastorate of 1,100 one time, or whether it’s 10,000 or 100,000, I would know how to structure it. I’m not bragging, you know, I’ve done it.
Poor Dave Pack.
Dave is more concerned about his personal welfare than he is boldly proclaiming his gospel to the world. Dave admits he will not go into certain neighborhoods. The only neighborhood Dave is in anymore is his cult compound in Wadsworth, Ohio. He has admitted he very seldom leaves the confines of his campus. He has further isolated himself in the middle of the compound where he is surrounded by a few of his elite men.
Dave has never been a real he man when it comes to being a fearless minister who treasures the words of Jesus over hiding in some lily-white COG Steppford neighborhood.
Praying for the escape of brethren becomes so much more meaningful—and daily—with this new knowledge. Most of God’s people live in dangerous areas of the world, but when I say that, it’s a different world. Who is to say what is and is not dangerous, if you’re in a mall, on a train, or just walking out of a building and there’s a shooter. So I stay out of dangerous neighborhoods.Some COG ministers over the decades went into the dangerous neighborhoods that impotent Dave avoids. They valued their message and their God more than they did their lives, something that Dave is incapable of understanding.
Poor old Dave.
Why is it that so many of the ministry of the Church of God are sexually titillated by women in such a way that they need to have women cover up every bare inch of skin so that they, the holy men of God, cannot be tempted. Are they that weak and immature? Why is lust such a problem for COG ministers? It's not like many women would be lusting after these men!
Today, we have God's most knowledgeable right-hand man/boy prophet, approving of the burkini's that many Muslim women wear tot he beach.
Almost-arrested and jailed, Elisha, Elijah, Joshua, Habakkuk, Amos, doubly blessed, apostle, prophet, future martyr, bitter "son" of the late Rod Meredith, and Chief Overseer, Bob Thiel, has a posting up today about Germany attacking France, because France refuses to allow burkini's on their beaches.
Elijah Thiel wrote this:
And then had to add this:The following was reported by the German press:7 August 2017
A Muslim woman was barred from using a swimming pool at a vacation home in southern France because she wore a burkini bathing suit, the Collective Against Islamophobia in France (CCIF) said on its website. …
The owner of the vacation home told the family that the pool needed to be drained and cleaned since the woman had used it. He then reportedly withheld the family’s 490-euro ($577) deposit in order to pay for the cleaning fees. …
The CCIF dismissed the house owner’s claims that the woman’s suit was unhygienic, as burkinis are made from elastic synthetic fabrics used for wetsuits and other types of swimwear. Burkinis cover all areas of the body except for the face, hands and feet.
Controversy over the full-body swimsuit erupted in France last summer when several communities along the French Riviera banned burkinis on public beaches.
The bans were eventually struck down by France’s highest administrative court, which said they constituted serious and illegal violations of fundamental freedoms. http://www.dw.com/en/woman-barred-from-french-vacation-home-pool-over-burkini/a-39984955
Women should be able to wear full body bathing suits when swimming, etc.
Notice something that the Apostle Paul wrote:8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, (1 Timothy 2:8-9)The idea that women need to be almost totally naked to swim in a pool is wrong.
Promoting lust is wrong, promoting modesty is not.Many ministers in the Church of God have had profound issues with lust. They have stalked, molested and raped COG girls and women. Their hearts have been filled with depravity. Apparently, Elijah Thiel has some issues he needs to deal with in order to over come the pollution of his heart.
Living Church of God has a little blurb up by Doug Winnail about seeking "wise counsel" from the ministry and others instead of not relying upon your own intuition on some things.
Given the abysmal track record of the ministry of the COG interfering and destroying lives of their members due to their "wise counsel," why would any COG member in this day and age EVER considered a minister telling them what they should or should not be doing? Most COG ministers are not trained to actually do "wise counselling." They rely only upon gut feelings, just as the person who is seeking counsel is doing.
CAD Comments - Friday, August 04, 2017
The Value of CounselOne common pitfall in life is trusting in our own judgment when we only see part of the picture or when we only see what we want to see. When we make decisions or take actions based on how we feel or how we see a situation, the results can be costly for ourselves and for others. This is why Solomon advised in Proverbs 3:5, “lean not on your own understanding,” and in Proverbs 3:7, “Do not be wise in your own eyes,” and again in Proverbs 28:26, “He who trusts in his [or her] own heart is a fool…” Solomon also warned in Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way that seems right to a man [or to a woman], but its end is the way of death.” To help us avoid making serious mistakes in life, God inspired Solomon to write in Proverbs 11:14, “Where there is no counsel, the people fall; but in a multitude of counselors there is safety” and again in Proverbs 15:22, “Without counsel, plans go awry, but in the multitude of counselors they are established.” We can obtain wise counsel from parents, the ministry, and from older, more experienced friends, relatives and associates who can be objective and help us see a bigger picture than we perceive on our own. Seeking wise counsel is a habit we can develop that will help us succeed and avoid making serious mistakes.Have a profitable Sabbath,Douglas S. Winnail
Of course, there is nothing wrong with seeking wise counsel on different issues and circumstances in life. People who have the experience or been in similar situations have a multitude of knowledge to share. Many of the ministry in the Church of God do not. Their so-called training has come from booklets and sermons, not from spending hundreds of hours taking training on how to be empathetic listeners. Instead, they lash out with absurd and sometimes dangerous conclusions that members are required to follow, or else they are kicked to the curb. Truly, is there an LCG minister actually trained by an outside college or institution, in therapy and counseling?
From a Texas source:
Church of God Big Sandy Scandal ContinuesThe situation in the Church of God Big Sandy continues to draw attention. And not just because David Havir III was determined to have acted “inappropriately” with a minor girl by Wood County, Texas, Judge Jeff Fletcher on July 6, 2017. (Case number 2017-357).
There are now questions about David III’s relationship with the minor girl’s older sister, Karina, who is 19 years old. In the same way that David III says he is a father figure to the younger sister, he also claims his relationship with this older girl is the same. He has told others that she lives with him and his wife and daughter.
It may be relevant that a COGBS board member abruptly resigned recently. No public explanation has been given for his resignation. Some have wondered if it could be because he disapproves of David III’s recent behavior. This board member has two young daughters who have been involved in the COGBS youth program.
Further, questions about COGBS have now moved from morality to finance. In order to understand this, it is important to understand the inner workings of COGBS.
COGBS has always had an elected board. From its very beginning, the board would set an annual budget. Within that budget was a private fund for the pastor to administer. The board members were never allowed to review the expenditures (which are done at Pastor Dave’s sole discretion) of this private fund because Pastor Dave said it would be a “violation of minister/parishioner confidentiality”. Pastor Dave insists that any money given from the fund to a recipient should be done with complete privacy.
The exception to this privacy rule was Treasurer Don Mishnick. Don reviewed all transactions out of Pastor Dave’s private fund. This exception to the minister/parishioner privacy rule is interesting because Don is not a minister. Nevertheless, since Don was the treasurer and perhaps the biggest contributor to COGBS, the board has always just shrugged its collective shoulders about this policy and gone along with it. They assumed that, if there were an improper expenditure from Pastor Dave’s private fund, Don (who is notoriously frugal) would quickly blow the whistle and get the problem corrected.
This arrangement went on for many years until Don resigned from the board and also gave up his membership at COGBS. He now attends church elsewhere because he had a falling out with Pastor Dave over (get this) David III’s spending of church money to take his youth group to Winter Family Retreat in Lexington KY.
And who has since taken Don’s place in overseeing Pastor Dave’s secret fund? You guessed it. Several months ago, the board of directors appointed David III to be the treasurer of COGBS! It is now David III who provides financial oversight over his father’s secret fund expenditures!
What a sweet deal the Havir family has fallen into. If only David III could have hung on at CEM, the Havir family would be sitting in tall cotton with access to the funds of two of the biggest ACOG groups in east Texas.
Like too many churches, the attitude of COGBS leadership has been, “We all know each other. We trust each other. Surely we can trust our brothers and sisters in these matters.” Anyone with any sense knows that this attitude can lead to disaster.
From all of this, it can be reasonably deduced that the current (and past) members of the COGBS board do not understand their responsibility as board members. The bylaws of COGBS clearly state that the board of directors manages that church. This is clearly written within the first lines of the bylaws. The bylaws do NOT give management of the church to the pastor, even though this has been the de facto situation during most of COGBS’s existence.
If the current board is to really perform its fiduciary responsibilities to COGBS, they will ask the following questions to the Havirs in an open board meeting and not in closed executive session. The membership of that church and contributors to that church deserve answers to these questions:
1) Who paid for David III’s legal fees in his recent court hearing regarding his judicially-declared inappropriate relationship with the minor girl? If these fees were paid for by COGBS, did the funds come from Pastor Dave’s secret fund or was it an expenditure that was approved by a vote of the board? (The current board has three new members who were not on the board when the David III scandal began so they might not be aware of the previous board’s actions.)
2) Has David III ever received financial assistance from Pastor Dave’s secret fund? If so, how much has he received? It is no secret that David III has had problems finding and keeping jobs over the past five years.
3) Has David III ever been employed by COGBS? This question is germane because Pastor Dave once vowed never to put anyone else on the church payroll again. This was after the church had hired a part-time sound man and then let him go. After that incident, Pastor Dave made it very clear that, from that moment on, he would be the only person employed the COGBS. So, if David III has received funds from COGBS, did he receive these funds as an employee or contract worker? Or did he receive them as a “needy person” under the auspices of financial aid from the secret fund?
4) Besides widows, who has received money from the COGBS secret fund? If a non-widow has received funds, how does the amount compare with how much widows usually receive?
5) Are COGBS bills being paid late at this time? If so, is it because of a cash flow problem or is it because of mismanagement by the church treasurer? Have any of the widows’ checks recently been late?
It was no secret that, as long Don Mishnick was present to financially prop up COGBS, the church would do just fine in the area of income. They might continue hemorrhaging members, but they would be kept financially afloat. Now that Don is gone, it is feared that this church organization will eventually go bankrupt. Is it possible that the Havir family realizes that inevitability and they are now milking as much money out of the COGBS treasury while they can? Do the Havirs see the handwriting on the wall and are they preparing to bail?
An outside, external audit is needed for COGBS. There is no one currently on the board who is qualified to review the books to determine whether or not there have been inappropriate expenditures. Any audit should be done by a qualified accounting firm that has experience in business audits.
If an outside audit exonerates the Havir family and if the board of directors unanimouslyconcludes that all post-Don Mischnick expenditures are on the up-and-up, the church should say so via a public announcement in a publication such as The Journal. Even though the Journal no longer has a significant number of subscribers, any such announcement in The Journal would subsequently get spread on the internet for all the various ACOGs to see.
In the meantime, any parent whose child is involved in David III’s youth program should be wary. Parents should be asking whether or not it is wise to send an underage girl to the COGBS annual summer camp at Timberline Baptist Church in Lindale, Texas.
And, until a professional audit is completed with all questions answered, anyone who contributes money to COGBS does so at his/her own peril.
If the Havir family and the COGBS board of directors are truly desirous of doing the right thing and avoiding all appearance of evil, they will take the proper steps to assure their church members (and the public) that this church organization, its leadership, and its policies/procedures involving money and underage children are above reproach.
Let’s see if the COGBS board of directors is willing to step up to the plate and do its job. It’s never happened before with a COGBS board, so this could be a first. By giving the Havir family unchecked power to run that church, the COGBS has entered into a Faustian Bargain that will come back to haunt them probably sooner than later.
Oh, wait....wrong story!
Almost arrested and jailed Bob Thiel is on his blog today bragging about how he has scored his 101st radio interview. The idea that any radio host would deem Thiel a legitimate theology/prophecy source shows how little research these hosts have actually done.
Habakkuk Thiel imagines himself an impeachable authority on President Donald Trump. His prophetic utterances on Trump are so significant that he wrote a book on the subject, which in turn led a radio host to interview him.
As long-term readers are aware, I, Dr. Bob Thiel, AKA COGwriter have frequently been a radio guest. However, because of scheduling and other issues they are usually not announced here.But sometimes they are.
Today, I am scheduled to be on The Morning Show with Mike Hogan. This would be on KHUB 1340 AM out of Freemont, Nebraska. August 8th 9:30 am CDT/7:30 am PDT. The host and I expect to discuss prophetic aspects Donald Trump’s presidency and items related to my book Donald Trump and America’s Apocalypse.
Unless it is preempted or something, this will be the 101st radio appearance since the formation of the [improperly named] Continuing Church of God on 12/28/12. My 102nd radio interview is scheduled for the Republic Broadcasting Network (RBN) Friday, August 11th at 12:00 pm CDT.I guess in a way it is good that Elijah Thiel is getting on these programs and letting the world further see what a theologically bankrupt fool he is.
So why is the dubiously blessed prophet hopping on the radio to share his false prophecies? Because Herb did! Who would have guessed?
Of course, being on radio is something that COG leaders have done since no later than the 1930s. Radio was used so much to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom and other biblical messages, that after he left CG7, the late Herbert W. Armstrong initially named his group the Radio Church of God.Bitter Bob Thiel then trots out a quote from Leroy Neff from 1959 about how God opened a door that no man can shut. Remember the myth that the church used to teach that radio was specifically invented so that the church could spread the gospel, just like the printing press was invented so that HWA could send out mimeographs of his "Plain Truth", or that airplanes were invented so that HWA and other prophets of the church could fly around the world witnessing to world leaders. Apparently, Elisha Thiel still is stupid enough to believe this. The door cannot be shut on his church, even though he insistently is whining that it is about to be.
Revelation 3:7-13: “And to the angel of the Church in Philadelphia write these things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that OPENETH, and no man SHUTTETH; and SHUTTETH and no man openeth.” The great door that God has opened to this work is the facility to go into all the world and preach the gospel; the door of radio, the door of the printing press, plus many other such doors. God has set before us an open door and no MAN can shut it. God can shut it, and He will when the work is finished and the Philadelphia Church goes to a place of safety. “I know thy works: Behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name” (verse 8).
Notice that this Church has works. It has works of ZEAL and of REPENTANCE. This Church has only a little strength. But, by contrast, the Church of Laodicea believes that IT is increased with goods and has a great deal of strength. Philadelphia has little strength to do this great work that God has given it to do. God has opened the door, and yet look how insignificant, how weak, how little strength we as a Church have to do that work. How much we lack in every way, and yet God has opened the door and has given us certain vital, supernatural, spiritual gifts. Very often we lack enough money to pay the radio bills and other expenses. WE ARE FEW IN NUMBER, while many other eras of the Church of God numbered in the hundreds of thousands. We indeed have little strength. And yet, look at the great power that God has placed before us. (Neff L. What Is the LAODICEAN CHURCH? Good News, August 1959)Ah yes, that same worn out story that "we are few in number" and therefore MUST be the one true church. It was a lie then and is still a lie today.
How long do we have to wait for false prophet Thiel to be jetting off to see world leaders with a piece of Steuben Crystal in his briefcase or his big thick Bible so he can thrust it in the face of world leaders? If Gerald Flurry can be setting himself up to do this, why can't Amos Thiel? But then, Flurry is a liar and a false teacher just like the African Bwanna Thiel is.We in the [Improperly named] Continuing Church of God are going through the open doors in radio as well as with the printing press, the internet, travel, and personal contact. This includes to areas, like Africa, with Gentiles.
Recently at a UCG conference, Vic Kubik made the following comment:
Mr. Kubik showed his appreciation for the spirit of fellowship amongst the elders.If this was actually a practice that UCG wants to see happen, then WHY does it still pad the Council of Elders and other management leadership with men who were part of WCG? No new younger faces ever appear in any of the updates to the Council. Just the same tired old men who played with WCG members lives while they plotted and schemed in the background to start a new splinter group. Most of these men were without ethics or empathy when they were WCG ministers and it is no different now.
He touched on the reasoning for the recent Church-wide fast and pointed to
the spiritual purpose of fasting: “to humble ourselves before God and draw closer
to Him and to make His purpose our purpose.” Mr. Kubik emphasized that what is
important is that we develop strong relationships among God’s people and that we
are ready to pass on knowledge and the work of the Church to the younger generation
when the time comes. Mr. Kubik also touched on the questions about the
structure and function of Ministerial and Member Services.
Why is it that the Church of God has produced so many imbeciles pretending to be God's chosen vessels? Between Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland, I have to wonder if the Church of God has finally scraped the bottom of the barrel. Can the Church of God have two bigger idiots in its midst?
After hundreds of failed prophecies, a prophetic 3 1/2 years in jail, married to an equally corrupt wife and the father to two money-grubbing kids, Ron Weinland still has a few hundred mentally ill followers. Followers who are NOT sending in enough money to keep Weinerdude and his sick family in their accustomed lifestyles.
To this day there are people still stealing from God! And I think, “What are you doing? You think I’m ignorant? Do you think I’m stupid as God’s apostle?” Your time is running out. You’ve got just a few weeks left and you’re gone – all of you – because there’s more than one. There are too many and if you don’t get it turned around immediately and repent before God it’s sayonara, dos vedanya, auf wiedersehen. And I know you’re only speaking English so it’s goodbye. Sick. In God’s Church we serve God. We seek to obey God in everything we do. There’s no such thing as being able to have adultery in God’s Church. There is no such thing as stealing from God, and on and on it goes. Those things aren’t allowed in God’s Church! We can’t just come the way we are. God says we’re to change. We’re to think differently. If people don’t, and if people want to play games and go through the motions, like send in maybe 5% or 3% just to kind of keep in the doorway, just keep the foot in the door a little bit and say, “I’m doing it. I’m doing it.” You lying liar! Stealing from God Almighty! How on earth can anyone of a right mind do such things? That blows my mind! It really does.
Another Church of God minister who has been an utter failure is Wade Cox. He has made so many prophecies that have failed that he, Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland are in competition to see who is the biggest Church of God liar.
Cox is so far out there that he claims the Koran is a holy book for Christians to be using and that his "god" created a race of human Elohims who have been running around on the earth ever since creation. They were actually created before his fake "jesus" was created.
Added to all of that wackiness is Wade Cox's prophetic timeline:
2012 Thirty-fifth year of the fortieth Jubilee. Sabbath year and end of the Mayan Calendar and the Sun system. The Whore is destroyed by the Beast from this date and finally by the advent of the Messiah after the period of the two Witnesses, perhaps by 2018-2019. FAILED2016 Passover is the probable last time for the two Witnesses to be in place in Jerusalem. Droughts of the two Witnesses commence. FAILED
2019 Probable last date for the return of the Messiah and the subjugation of the planet given the 2028 commencement for the millennial system and the time being cut short. GURANTEED TO FAILKings of the East called down to Jerusalem and destroyed. GURANTEED TO FAIL2025 Perhaps less than 500 million people left alive on the planet. GURANTEED TO FAIL
2025/26 Treble Harvest year for the Jubilee GURANTEED TO FAIL
2026/27 Sabbath Year NOT RELEVANT
2027 End Day 6 GURANTEED TO FAIL
2027/2028 Fortieth Jubilee since Messiah and Forty-ninth since the second Temple and Ezra/Nehemiah. GURANTEED TO FAIL
2028 Beginning of the Jubilee of Jubilees from 1 Abib. The fiftieth Jubilee since the construction of the Temple and the restoration of the Temple and the Law under Ezra and Nehemiah GURANTEED TO FAILThe one thousand year millennial reign of Jesus Christ begins. The planet is run in peace and prosperity according to God’s Laws for 1000 years. GURANTEED TO FAIL
3015-3027 Satan is released and the last war of the end begins. GURANTEED TO FAIL
3028 The General Resurrection of the Dead GURANTEED TO FAIL
The 100-year Judgment. GURANTEED TO FAIL
Here is what the Bible, the other book that Cox claims to follow, has to say about him and his teachings:3127 The City of God is complete and the Universe is structured anew. GURANTEED TO FAIL
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity [lawlessness].
Allie Dart passed away this morning at 8:52, listening to Ron's sermon "A Good Marriage." She went peacefully with Sammie, her aide, by her side. Thanks for your prayers, flowers, and cards of encouragement for her during this trial. She has finished her race--she is no longer in pain as she waits for the resurrection.
Monday, August 14 at 10am at Stewart Family Funeral Home in Tyler with
Mr. Wesley White officiating. Visitation will be 30 minutes prior to the service.
Burial will follow at Whitehouse Memorial Cemetery.
Monday, August 14 at 10am at Stewart Family Funeral Home in Tyler withMr. Wesley White officiating. Visitation will be 30 minutes prior to the service.Burial will follow at Whitehouse Memorial Cemetery.
We have arranged for her service to be streamed live on the Internet via the funeral homes website.
Top paleontologist, cosmologist, biologist, archaeologist and theologian David C. Pack is the latest Top Church of God Scientist to tackle these fishy issues having learned the truth about evolution a full 50 years ago in Second Year Bible where the Church destroyed all doubt by having him outline Whitcomb and Morris's The Genesis Flood with no actual discussion on the contents ever as if they could.
However, Dave lost.....
Time for an update...
“Sit down before fact as a little child, be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. I have only begun to learn content and peace of mind since I have resolved at all risks to do this.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley,
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