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Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. Every crazy, weird and wacky quote is straight from the pens of Armstrongite leaders or members who think they possess some insight into God and the Bible. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!

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    Obvious and intentional exaggeration.

    An extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.

    Revelation 6

    12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

    One would be quite enough

    Revelation 9

    15So the four angels who had been prepared for this hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16And the number of mounted troops was two hundred million; I heard their number. 17Now the horses and riders in my vision looked like this: The riders had breastplates the colors of fire, sapphire, and brimstone. The heads of the horses were like heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.…

    I'm assuming you  heard their number wrong and made up the fire and smoke part.

    Daniel 7:27 + Matthew 24:31 + Mark 13:27

    [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER. [27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the UTTER-MOST PART OF THE EARTH TO THE UTTER-MOST PART OF HEAVEN.

    That's quite a streeeeeeetch!

    The untrained ministry of the Splits, Splinters and Slivers needs to grasp the word Hyperbole if they are ever to teach the Bible as it was written and meant as a Book for it's time but not for these times.   Dave Pack's sermons would be ever so much shorter if he'd not struggle with trying to make his views both Old and New Testaments literally true. He'd not try to illogically connect a long thin Mt. Zion with his long and thin compound spewing out footage by length and width as if it mattered.  It doesn't.  He'd not bend and twist his mind and thus his sermons around every imagined detail that somehow has to be literally true and "figured out."

    If they ever understood the word, Hyperbole they'd all stop weaving tall tales on how it all will be. No one would end up worrying about Petra and what to do with the dog or unconverted children and they'd cease making absolute fools out of themselves boring or scaring their members half to death.  


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  • 05/13/17--08:21: God Hates Skyscrapers

  • Did you know that God hates skyscrapers and towers?  After God got really angry at the Tower of Babel, he has been holding back his wrath till the Arabs and others have built tall skyscrapers.  Even worse, some of the residents in these towers have decked their homes out with gold, marbles, beautiful wood, and paintings.

    God's greatest end time prophet, Dave Pack, who runs the superfantabulous Restored Church of God has this to say:
    You know it’s interesting. You look at the age that we live in, and people today are building these incredible residential towers. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen an interview of Donald Trump on the 55th story of his tower…marbles, gold, silver, tapestries, paintings, beautiful woods…magnificence in a tower. So it’s not a strange concept. You go around the world. New York is now loaded with them, partly because that man wanted to build them. But all over the world now, people…and the devil counterfeits everything…I’m not calling his place devilish, but you know, the Catholics always want high places—always do. The Tower of Babel…They started to build this tower, God knocked it down—said, “You don’t do that. You don’t stick a tower up into Heaven” and sent them away babbling different languages.

    And when Christ comes He’s going to destroy all the towers, because there’s going to be one tower. We’re actually going to see He calls it a “tower”—one tower on Earth that sticks way up, and in importance is at the top of all the mountains of the earth. I mean, the ultimate lofty mountain, but now we know has a city on it, and it’s a city that has to accommodate ten thousands of people, ultimately, when it’s in Jerusalem, and they’re all living in mansions that probably, we would assume, look better than the one at the 55th story of Trump Tower or those towers that are all over the world now, where people live, because people want to live up. They’re going back into cities to live higher and have grand views, because everybody…I mean, men understand that. I’m pretty sure God does. I can’t even imagine what it would be like to look out of a 1,500-mile-high city.

    So God is not about to have dwellings for three-and-a-half years…condominiums…high rises…that are more beautiful than His. You know it’s been said that Donald Trump is the only man who will ever downsize into the White House. That would be true, and not just physically come down, but just the quality of where he lives is just beyond magnificent. It’s never happened before. He’s worth twenty times George Washington. Almost exactly twenty times George Washington—who was the wealthiest president in our history. So the first president was the wealthiest until probably what will be the last one, who’s worth twenty times more.

    But there are people that live in these incredible dwellings. Mega millions and millions of dollars for Penthouse suites. His kids live below him in that tower. Christ is not going to be second fiddle to places like that. I’m not just pointing to him, but there’s been scores and hundreds of thousands of people. Mr. Trump’s son in law, who’s an Orthodox Jew, is thirty-five years old and his net worth is 500 million dollars. At thirty-five…he made it himself. And he lives in an unbelievable place, too, lower in the tower as I understand. So, we are…we’re going to—you’re going to—live in a tower. You’ll be able to flit right out the window, though, and that’s another discussion. You’re going to have…fewer limitations. Let’s just put it that way. 

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    Never one to be humble, Dave Pack has declared the following quote below as his take on HWA.  God apparently decided to structure HWA's life so that he never had the opportunity to read the Bible and discover the things Dave has uncovered.  Herbert could never have withstood the tiresome duty it is to spend countless hours preparing to reveal this new knowledge, week after week, hour after hour, minute after minute, second after second.  Dave is the COG Energizer Bunny, he never stops.

    We had no idea what we were pulling through the wall, and that both of those, together, lead into something I want to tell you about Mr. Armstrong. Because I can report something about Mr. Armstrong that no one could ever say. I’m in a unique position to describe him…report something about him that no one else ever could, and it speaks to this prophecy. He’s going to come up at the beginning and the end of the sermon, but you’ll understand why this portion of reference to him is at the beginning.
    God structured Mr. Armstrong’s life so that he had no time, literally, to research all that God has shown. God built his schedule, his ministry and his life—in the many latter years of his life—that would have never permitted him to research all that God has shown. And because of his particular nature, where had he begun to see the wires that were hanging out, he would have grabbed hold of them, wrestled them to the ground in a death grip and never turn them loose until he’d figured it all out.
    Here’s the problem…It takes about 25 to 30 hours of my life just on what I’m delivering you—and it’s been going on for 14 months now. He could never have stopped his life. You just have to believe that. Visiting world leaders, doing all the things he was before that—building three campuses, an enormous worldwide ministry; of course, letters and broadcasts, and all the other things. He could never have done that without literally breaking the Work. Now, there are other reasons God waited to reveal this understanding, but I wanted to take you to the literal, physical reason—and that’s if you don’t count his age, you see.

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    Why is it that the Church of God has bred so many narcissistic morons that have set themselves  up as the one true end time man who has the direct avenue to God?  All these self-appointed fools do is claim one title after another and lie through their teeth as they deceive members and take tithe money from financially strapped members just so they can have a so-called work.

    To answer the question, JUST WHAT IS THE WORK?, Herbert W. Armstrong personally wrote:  
    But Christ said to His Philadelphia era Church, that because we have but little strength, He would OPEN THOSE DOORS TO US (Rev. 3:8)" (Letter 11/19/76). 
    The PURPOSE for which Christ built the Church exemplifies its WORK...1) To ANNOUNCE to the world for its witness the coming Kingdom of God...2) To prepare the people to whom God adds to the Church...God has always worked with humans. He has worked with O N E  M A N at a time...The WORK consists of proclaiming the Gospel, by radio, by television, in print (Armstrong HW. JUST WHAT IS THE WORK? PASTOR GENERAL'S REPORT - VOL.3, NO.6 February 6, 1981) 
    Notice that Herbert Armstrong believed that God mainly worked through the leadership of one man at a time to lead various phases of the work. Scripture, shows for example, that the mantle passed from Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-15). The 'mantle' would currently be with the person/group that truly functioned as the 'pillar and ground of truth' (1 Timothy 3:15). 
    Who is the one man at this time? 
    The O N E  M A N at this time is Dr. Bob Thiel who while assisting in the directions of others who are supporting him, is proclaiming Christ's Gospel of the Kingdom by radio, via YouTube "television," via Internet articles, in person, and in print as he leads the Continuing Church of God.
    Then there is this from Amazon where he peddles his prophecy porn:
    Bob Thiel was raised in Michigan into a Catholic family, He moved to California in 1976 and is loyal to Holy Bible and the Church of God. His first book was published in 1994. Dr. Thiel is a one of the world's foremost authorities on prophecy writings, a published Ph.D. and a highly regarded researcher with multiple research awards to his credit. He holds a Bachelor's degree from the University of LaVerne, a Master's degree from the University of Southern California, and a Ph.D. from the Union Institute and University. Throughout his academic and professional career he has studied philosophy, religion, science, and prophecy; in recent years, has had scores of articles published on these subjects in magazines, newspapers, religious publications, and scientific journals. Married to his wife Joyce since 1981, the two have made multiple trips to ancient sites around the world including Asia Minor, Mayan sites, Vatican City, Patmos, Constantinople/Istanbul, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and the South Pacific.
    Other than Dave Pack, can the COG have a bigger narcissist in its midst?  "World's foremost authority on prophecy?" If that is true then my cat speaks German!  There is not one single COG leader that is an authority on prophecy OR who has ever uttered a true prophecy, including Almost-arrested Bob Thiel.

    He also makes it appear as he is still a devoted Catholic by stating he was raised Catholic and now remains true to the Church of God.  To many Catholics, this means he is still a Catholic since they refer to themselves as the church of God.   The COG has been filled with myriads of men who use slight of hand when talking about themselves and the church.  Deception without really lying is the name of the game.

    On another site in 2012 he was featured in a blog interview under Paranormal Features about his book on 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.

    When asked about how he does his research he says:
    Where do you research for your books? 

    I buy and read other books, visit libraries, and go to sites of interest around the world.  Additionally, online resources are also helpful.
    Anyone can buy books, visit libraries and "visit" sites pertaining to a subject that interests them, yet that does not make them authorities on the subject. Until a person gets their hands dirty and spends decades digging in Mayan ruins, excavating sites, collaborating with world known scientists and real authorities, enduring endless hours testing and retesting, attending a real seminary where one actually did real research with in-depth years-long study and not doing an online distance-by-learning degree study where one picks their own topic and does not start with ones own COG biases in order to make ones conclusions fit ones assumed conclusions (church teachings), then a person might be found to have more credibility. Doubly-blessed Thiel reeks of deception.

    Does Elisha Bob look like a man who has ever gotten his hands dirty by doing hard work and building up some calluses on his delicate hands?  He is another COG elitist who has been pandered to by silly men who thought he was "converted" and had some kind of special knowledge thus "doubly blessing" him.
    What are you passionate about these days?
    I am passionate about trying to warn people not to follow false prophets as well as not to dismiss the value of prophecy because there are many false prophets.  I also believe that God loves everyone and that God's real plan makes sense, so I try to explain it despite my limitations.
    Yet here is a man who is a false prophet.  A man who self-appointed himself.  His theological training was by two certified false prophets,  Herbert Armstrong and Rod Meredith.  He has debilitating limitations right out of the starting gate!

    As for his god loving all humanity, he conveniently fails to tell "Laurie" that his god is ready to destroy most of  humanity through war, pestilence, disease, and famine.  He fails to tell her about the rampaging Germans, Chinese and Muslims who are scheduled to wipe most British Israelite nations off the map or take them into captivity. Elisha Bob and most of the COG movement has made its mission to get across how pissed off its god is and how It is going to leash fury upon the world.  Again, deception is the name of the game.

    Elijah Bob also has words about those who criticize his books:
    How do you react to a bad review of your book?
    The few "bad reviews" of my book I have read have always suggested that the bad "reviewer" really did not actually read (or at least understand) 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.  Those who have actually read and understood it do not tend to write bad reviews.
    He assumes that anyone who disagrees with his already incorrect book has not read it nor understood the message he was attempting to get across.  It never crosses his mind that people can easily disprove all of his books.  A first-year seminarian at Fuller Theological Seminary can do that!  Again, deception is the name of the game.

    John D, on the Church of God Perspective blog, is correct in stating:

    Bob Thiel Is Still a Liar and False Prophet
    Bob Thiel wants to pick on anyone and everyone in order to justify his own beliefs and vaunted ego. However, the fact is that he is a liar, he does not care for the truth, or accuracy for that matter, and he constantly compares himself to others.
    A reader responded:
    It’s obvious Bob Thiel is trying to present his credentials in a positive fashion which he hopes will leave a positive impression to the reader. But “studied graduate level” is not the same as earning a degree at graduate level, also “after a lot of writing” being granted a Th. D. doesn’t exactly tell the reader where it came from. Such a presentation of credentials leaves it open to a readers imagination. It can lead a reader to believe he’s achieved an impressive Th.D. or it can lead a reader to believe it came from an online version of the old saying “Where’d you get that degree, out of a Cracker Jack box?” 
    Besides nowadays when it comes to teaching ideas about prophecy, there is a tendency to be evasive and vague enough to avoid timelines. They don’t make statements about events that will absolutely occur in the readers lifetime, but maintain a dialogue that leaves an impression that they absolutely know it may happen in a person’s lifetime. A legitimate question is, would a real prophet act like that? 
    The question still remains about Amos Thiel:

    Would a real prophet act like he does and do the things he does? 

    The answer is NO!


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    Can you imagine driving over a hundred miles to church and having to sit there and listen to a so-called minister READING old WCG reprint articles that supposedly had the answer to almost any question church members might ask?  Most of those articles have ZERO relevance to anyone's Christian walk.  Absolutely NOTHING!  Zippo!  Nada!

    Why in the world would any so-called minister, who supposedly has a Th D in theology and has read thousands of books and visited hundreds of historical locations, need to read outdated reprint articles from a church he considers apostate?

    Here is what Almost-arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Habakkuk, Joshua, doubly blessed, world renown Mayan authority, unlicensed to practice Naturopath, bitter "son" that Rod Meredith wished he had never had, and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God is bragging about to his 1,996 members.  Why would ANYONE in Africa care what privileged white people had written in about because they were incapable of making their own decisions?

    Dr. Thiel continues the series of going through answering questions that were commonly posed to the old Worldwide Church of God. Using a binder that many speakers were given by that church that contained standardized letters that were sent to answer questions, Dr. Thiel answers them.  Normally, in much greater detail than the normally single or double page answers that were given in the past by the old Radio and Worldwide Church of God. Subject covered included the answering questions, the meaning of B.C., A.D., B.C.E., & C.E. (B.C. originally was intended to refer to the period before Jesus was born and A.D. afterwards, though they were off a few years–Dr. Thiel misspoke once in this sermon and accidentally stated the terms B.C. and A.D. related to Jesus death–he apologizes for that misspeaking), lifespans before Noah’s flood, Herbert W. Armstrong’s genealogy, modern descendants of the Chaldeans & Babylonians, giants, Bible commentaries, Bible concordances, pen pals, swearing an oath, Jesus’ location between age 12-30, and the two witnesses.
    The Lake of Fire sounds like a sure relief instead of sitting in a hot living room listening to this crap for two hours!

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    On May 12, a cyber attack happened that caught businesses, governments and others unawares and blackmailed them into giving $300.00 in order to restore their encrypted files.

    May 13, 2017
    24 hours after it first emerged, it has been called the first global, coordinated ransomware attack using hacking tools developed by the NSA, crippling over a dozen hospitals across the UK, mass transit around Europe, car factories in France and the UK, universities in China, corporations in the US, banks in Russia and countless other mission-critical businesses and infrastructure. 
    According to experts, “this could be one of the worst-ever recorded attacks of its kind.” The security researcher who tweets and blogs as MalwareTech told The Intercept, “I’ve never seen anything like this with ransomware,” and “the last worm of this degree I can remember is Conficker.” Conficker was a notorious Windows worm first spotted in 2008; it went on to infect over 9 million computers in nearly 200 countries. 
    The fallout, according to cyber-specialists, has been “unprecedented”: it has left unprepared governments, companies and security experts from China to the United Kingdom on Saturday reeling, and racing to contain the damage from the audacious cyberattack that spread quickly across the globe, raising fears that people would not be able to meet ransom demands before their data are destroyed.

    I knew it would not be long till some COGladite minister would latch onto it and use it to further their already bankrupt prophecy predictions.

    Never one to let us down, Almost-arrested Elisha, Elijah, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk, doubly blessed, bitter "son" of Rod Meredith and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, stepped up to the plate and made an ass of himself, once again.

    The election in the USA of Donald Trump in 2016, followed by various statements after he became the President of the USA has offended many Europeans and is spurring them to increase their military spending and to plan to become independent of the USA for its security. 
    This European Beast power has been developing technology for at least part of its military strength and long-term economic plans (see also European Technology and the Beast of Revelation). 
    Eventually, perhaps under the guise of a NATO exercise, Europe will launch a surprise attack against the USA (cf. 1 Thessalonians 5:3; Daniel 11:39). This would possibly happen after one or more trade disputes, and perhaps after the USA has been weakened by weather problems, terrorist acts (from likely Islamic sources allied with Europe, per Psalm 83:3-8), war, riots, solar flares, severe earthquakes, civil unrest, devastation of their genetically-modified food supplies, food shortages, and/or various pestilences–an intensity of “sorrows” such as Jesus discussed in Matthew 24:4-8 leading up to the time of the Great Tribulation. Disasters, especially if there is an ElectroMagnetic Pulse (emp) attack or a severe solar flare storm, could be part of a so-called “perfect storm” of events that could set up the USA for destruction. 
    As mentioned before, I suspect that after the Europeans and the USA and UK have some strained relations in the future, the Europeans may call for/agree to a joint military exercise, possibly under the conditions of NATO, in the USA. This would allow the Europeans to bring military aircraft, troops, and other military items to the USA, without the USA getting concerned it would soon be attacked.
    The USA and Great Britain (including its Anglo-Commonwealth members, like Australia and Canada) were “great among the nations.” And the Bible is clear that betrayal is coming from national FRIENDS! Like many of those in NATO.
    A ‘perfect storm’ is building. One day the USA and its Anglo-Saxon descended allies will be no more. 

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    The dingbats of Armstrongism never cease in imagining everything in the world being pagan and therefore bad. Pagan's built houses, wore clothing, some ate meat and some were vegetarians, got married, and had kids, therefore according to the absurdities of Malm, we should not do any of these either.

    This is the latest from the Chief Pharisee James Malm. This is what happens when you prostitute yourself to the law instead of following that inconvenient dude you CLAIM to follow.

    Since the advent of the Roman Catholic Church this very widely honored pagan holiday of mother and child worship was adopted and renamed Mothering Sunday as a celebration for the “Virgin Mary and child”  on the fourth Sunday of Lent.
    Mother’s Day was later spread in America when in 1912 Anna Jarvis trademarked the phrases “Second Sunday in May” and “Mother’s Day”, and created the Mother’s Day International Association. She specifically noted that “Mother’s” should “be a singular possessive, for each family to honor its own mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world.” This is also the spelling used by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in his 1914 presidential proclamation, by the U.S. Congress in relevant bills, and by various U.S. presidents in their proclamations concerning Mother’s Day in America.  
    The ancient day of honoring mother [Semiramis] and child [Nimrod] was continued by the Anglican and Catholic church’s in America, and later Anna Jarvis backed by the Methodist Church sought official recognition of a national Mother’s Day.
    Honoring mothers or fathers on one day is also a distraction from honoring them at ALL times as God has commanded. Too many give a Mother’s Day gift and think their duty done for the year.  
    I would suggest that we commonly give our parents tokens of our appreciation regularly throughout the year and not celebrate the pagan Mothering Day.  A good time to do so would be on our own birthday’s when our mother’s birthed us into this world.

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    Why is it that Church of God members will continue to defend church leaders whom they know are abusive and have witnessed or been on the receiving end of abuse?

    People who saw the abuse of Rod Meredith over the decades, who were disgusted by it and were many times on the receiving end of his wrath, today are supporters of his church.  They know he was wrong and they have seen the bodies littered along the way due to his actions.

    People know Dave Pack is abusive and is lying through his teeth at times, yet they sit in church every week getting all gooey eyed at the mere presence of the Superfantabulous One.  He has bled they dry financially and separated them from family members, but it is all OK.

    To the right you will see the featured posting of how Fred Dattallo, Cal Culpepper and Gerald Flurry all help contribute to the suicide of Janet De Gennaro.  Their spiritually abusive messages, their abusive actions and callous words have damaged many over the years since the Philadelphia Church of God cult started.

    Notice the following thread of comments (from the tab above with the same title) seeking to justify or whitewash the sick actions of PCG ministers:

    SKYGUY said...
    I am not a member of the Philadelphia Church of God and in fact just heard about it. Let me then respond as a 1978 Ambassador College Pasadena graduate. In recently researching the Philadelphia Church of God and the Herbert W. Armstrong College in Edmonton I found the article on this blog site regarding the suicide of Janet De Gennaro and the obvious and understandable anger of the De Gennaro family regarding Gerald Flurry, Mr. David Privratsky and Elder Fred Dattalo.


    The loss of a daughter is nearly unbearable, a crippling life changing event, it is hard for most to even imagine this horror, having four daughters, I do and can, but cry even now as I write this. There is no room here to pick on or rebuff the comments of the father of Janet De Gennaro, whether their reactionary comments are accurate or not. There is only room for compassion and prayer for the De Gennaros to have the ability to recover from this tragic devastation and loss sufficiently to even go on in life.

    The scriptures say that one side of the argument often seems right … until you hear the other person’s side. So apply this scripture.

    I have never met nor even known of HWA Chancellor and PCG Pastor General Gerald Flurry until recently and although the comments made about him may cause pause, it is up to him to take such accusations to God, and steer his course according to what God shows him. It is a matter between Pastor General Flurry and God alone. Why condemn? When we judge, we will be judged. Does one want to retaliate, even if just verbally and in writing? Many of us, myself included, have suffered much and would wish to get even, but we learn to repent of that and grow to hold back such responses and trust more deeply in God who tells us not to return evil for evil, and not to retaliate. God says ‘vengeance is mine saith the lord … I will repay.” And He does.

    I also refuse to judge Mr. David Privratsky, I do not know him either, and his sins in this if any, are also between him and God alone. Do not think for a moment that a man like that was not deeply touched with tremendous grief after his wife died. The man and woman in marriage become one, the separation by death is also horribly painful to the surviving party..

    Any Pastor can throw an un-repented sinner from the church and ostracize him per the Apostle Paul’s example, as also a Chancellor could also do to a disruptive student. But even the Apostle Paul wrote later that the church should have compassion on such a one less they lose the strength to go on.

    I knew HWA while a student, and as a prophetic person I wrote him a long long letter about what might be done better in administration. I delivered it personally which he accepted willingly and seemingly gratefully and acted on as able. Yet some things were never cleared up, politics and administration are challenging foes. Later the the church exploded into fragments, Ambassador College disintegrated and eventually Mr. Armstrong was called home, all as was written to him.

    I knew GTA, and as Student Body Business Manager got to even ride in the cockpit of the Falcon Jet with him while taking off and piloting. I was able to deliver a letter to him that he had written to David John Hill in their early school years. I had come across that letter while cleaning out the basement storage room dubbed the ‘vault’ and the ‘safe’ in a house down the street, and although slightly embarrassing in content it brought a smile and maybe a tear. I had been assigned by Fred Stevens, my boss and HWA’s personal assistant to clean out that basement vault and to personally decide what to keep and what to destroy. Accordingly I felt deeply humbled and diligently read every document. Other than my giving a letter found to GTA, I used the other material read as a good reason to pray for positive changes.
    Robert Meiser AC ’78.

    PART 1 OF 3
    SEE PART 2
    SKYGUY said...
    Part 2 of 3 re: FRED DATTALO:

    If Mr. Flurry is in fact like Mr. HWA ,and he sure looks like him lol, even emulating him in that regard, then I imagine that his heart is full of compassion and that he took no joy in what occurred in Janet De Gennaro ’s death, or the resulting devastating effect on her family.

    I do stand in judgment of Fred Dattalo, but not as you might think. Nor is my attitude and assessment toward him favorably biased because we went to Ambassador College together. In fact we worked very closely together as a team developing a time intensive large written project for one class. Since a team member, maybe actually two, were unable to help with finishing the project Fred and I pulled an all-nighter to complete it. As I reworked the wording and exhibits, Fred typed. This was before the advent of word processing, this was a manual typewriter and a very large project, it was painful. Fred worked diligently from early in the evening until early the next morning to get the job done. He would not stop for a cup of hot chocolate or coffee, and he would not stop even to use the bathroom. Fred had determined and had made a vow to himself not to stop until entirely finished. I was greatly impressed with this act, demonstrating his integrity and intent to do what was necessary to obtain a righteous goal, even while suffering to do so. Subsequently we became friends. My assessment of Fred is based solely on prayerful insight, scriptural application and a more in depth knowledge of Fred Dattalo’s inner man than most if any other readers here have had the chance to do. It might be easy to confuse such intensity and diligence with coldness or rudeness on a person’s part, but I assure you that is not the case here with Fred. It was more likely an intensity in performing an otherwise uncomfortable assignment, as we all have or will face at times in life, resulting in a communication disconnect, again as we all also likely already have or surely will encounter.

    Although this may infuriate some, I hope they will pray through it and see this man differently. Fred was not a hired gun for Mr. Flurry nor a con man intent to win no matter who get’s hurt. Fred has a deep sense of integrity, an integrity that is being hurt by such public demeaning of his part in what occurred. As others surely cried over this death, you can be sure that Fred cried as much and took what happened before God in tears. That’s the way he is built. As for blindly following orders directly from Mr. Flurry that would not have been the case either. Fred having previously demonstrating his ministerial ability to Mr. Flurry in using sound reasoning and a compassionate approach in similar situations, following any necessary protocols already set by the church, would have responded with diligence, not ill intent, and would have seen it through according to those set protocols in as humane a way as possible.
    Robert Meiser AC ’78.
    Part 2 of 3
    See Conclusion Part 3
    SKYGUY said...
    Part 3 of 3 Conclusion - Fred Dattalo

    Fred was not known to be a man trying to bring fame and honor upon himself, but a man that works diligently hard, harder than any man I have since met, and righteously, allowing any rising through the ranks to come as a consequence from that alone. God even says it is good to seek the office of a Bishop. And Fred, full of the Spirit and well versed in the scriptures would qualify for further service in the church. He was not an evil self willed narcissist with an agenda that intended to raise his own stature at other’s expense, especially in a case such as this. Fred, like all of us who are Christians, seeks the kingdom of God and Christ’s glory, and in that regard should be shown the respect that Christ and many other of us who know him well have for him, and his role in following Christ. He should be honored, as Paul says ‘with double honor’ and not be evil spoken against. In fact Christ warned some that they were close to committing the ‘Unpardonable Sin’ we should also seriously take note of and avoid doing that. We will as the scriptures say ‘be judged for every word that proceeds out of our mouths’. The unpardonable sin is public commentary degrading the work of the Spirit of God, and of demeaning those possessing God’s Spirit in their service. Jesus said that every sin, every trespass against Him would be forgiven, but that any sin against the Holy Spirit would not. Hopefully we all can learn from and respect this.

    And perhaps then all of us, no matter how deeply hurt, can stand up and be counted as forgiving Christians, and make those changes necessary in our lives and in our churches and colleges to fully demonstrate the light of Christ that dwells in us to those around us and to the whole world who may be watching.

    Robert Meiser AC ’78.
    Anonymous said...
    Your experience with Fred Dattalo is no longer the Fred that wrecks havoc in the PCG at this day and time. There are numerous horror stories about the despicable things has done and still does. Whatever acts of kindness and mercy he may have exhibited in the previous administrations is not like he is now. Flurry demands total obedience and has ripped families and marriages apart due to his vile doctrinal beliefs. If Fred is as you say he is then Fred need sot leave Flurry's cult immediately. A man of integrity would do that.
    Audi said...
    Mr. Meisner--I cannot understand how you can defend the actions of PCG officials in this matter. Who Fred Dattalo (and I never heard of him before reading this thread) was when you went to school with him has no bearing on who he has become. HWA (and Flurry after him) promote the ministry in the EXACT OPPOSITE WAY the Bible says ministers should behave. The Bible says ministers should be servants. WCG and PCG promoted them as dictators, above the membership in every way. They are programmed to believe they are superior.

    This boils down to the same thing it always does in cults--The cult comes before EVERYTHING, and sadly, in this case that included an innocent young woman's life.
    Annie said...
    Mr. Robert Meiser: I attended PCG for a short period of time (3 years) I quit the church as I would not agree with the No-contact Policy.

    Your comments full of mercy towards the ministers mentioned here are a sign of a truly converted man. A true christian will never ever use and run a site like this in order to speak bad about a dead person like Mr. Armstrong.

    This site reflects no other thing, but anger and a contentious spirit, I find it everywhere. It is God's job to judge them and condemn them for their actions if needed.

    A true christian will never act as Satan, the great accuser of the brethren, does. As Christ said about the Pharisees:"Do what they teach, not what they do". We ought to recognize that Yahweh the Eternal, used HWA to spread the true gospel, despite his personal flaws, just like he did with Moses, Jonah, kings David and Solomon, among others.

    I know Satan is angry and inspires sites like these, he hates the truth about the Sabbath Day and God's plan of salvation, which is still being taught around the world, as a testimony to the nations and to preserve and nurture the small flock of those who are humble to hear the words of other faithful and loving servants I've personally known, even in the PCG and other churches of God.

    Jesuschrist is coming for those who keep the commandments and keep the faith of Jesuschrist. This site is certainly not a christian site. They claim to be one that is trying to open the eyes of others caught into this "cult", yet they are breaking the biggest commandment Christ taught us: To love one another, which implies to forgive one another.

    People forgive those in the body of the Messiah who did wrong to you. Move on, time is short. Christ is coming....
    Audi said...
    Annie, God did not use HWA for ANYTHING. He was a degenerate of the WORST possible kind, and the "truths" he disseminated were nothing more than other tired and non-Biblical garbage he borrowed from the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists, and then claimed God "revealed" to him. He was a failed prophet, and the Bible itself says if someone makes prophecies and they don't come true, that person is a FALSE PROPHET. That is what HWA was, and so are all the splinter groups who are still shilling his crap. I hope your the veil is soon lifted from your eyes.


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    Gerald Flurry as a "new" article up on the PCG website, "Elijah’s Prayer"

    If you though the narcissism of Dave Pack and Almost-arrested Bob Thiel knew no boundaries, just get a load of the hyperbole of Gerry Flurry and Lil'Stevie who is being set up as a modern day Elijah and one of the Two Witless Witnesses.  All of this is coming about because the Philadelphia Church of "god" claims to be in possession of the two greatest books ever written in human history, after the Bible, of course.  One is a summary of the entire bible and the other is a book spoken about in the book of James.

    That first book is Herbert Armstrong's, Mystery of the Ages, the book that the Philadelphia Church of God was found guilty of plagiarizing and ended up having to dish out $3,000,000.00 for the rights to legitimately publish it.  The second book is Malachi's Message, a book that Gerry Flurry stole from Jules Dervaes, Letter to Laodicea, that Gerry Flurry claims is the "little book" of the book of James. in the Bible.

    Gerry Flurry makes a further claim that is absurd beyond understanding.  He claims that Herbert Armstrong prayed that all "spiritual rain" (spiritual revelation) would cease for 3 1/2 years.  According to the delusional mind of Flurry, that was when the withholding of spiritual revelation ceased when Herbert Armstrong died.  Of course, the man on the receiving end of new godly revelation was none other than Flurry.
    This prophecy tells us much about an end-time Elijah and some vital history of God’s Church. 
    “Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months” (James 5:17). 
    The epistle of James is for the end time. If you look at 1 Kings 17, you will see that the original Elijah prophesied about rain and drought—he didn’t pray for it. James is speaking about the end-time Elijah, who prayed about spiritual rain and drought. James is talking about a man who faced a different set of problems than did the original Elijah. In this verse, Herbert W. Armstrong prayed that it not rain—that there would be no revelation from God. 
    “And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit” (James 5:18). 
    This prophecy has been fulfilled during the Laodicean era of the Church of God.
    Consider what this verse is really saying. 
    Mr. Armstrong fervently prayed that the spiritual rain—the revelation of God—would stop coming into God’s Church, and that it would begin again after 3½ years. In order to pray that, he must have recognized the rebellion in the Church—probably far more than we have realized. Why else would he pray that God would cut off His revelation and guidance until He raised up a new work? 
    Events prove that this prayer was answered. After Mr. Armstrong died, the Church suffered through precisely 3½ years of spiritual drought, and then we received rain.
    It was two months after HWA's death that Flurry supposedly received the revelation to write Malachi's Message.

    Mr. Armstrong died on January 16, 1986. After 1,150 days, or around March 11, 1989 (probably that exact day), God began revealing to me the truths contained in the book Malachi’s Message. In God’s eyes, it was at that point that the sanctuary was cleansed.
    But look again at the prophecy in James 5:17-18. 
    Though the sanctuary was cleansed through God’s prophet, spiritual rain was not watering the Church immediately.
    Of course what Flurry failed to realize is that people realized something was afoot.  He had ripped off Jules Dervaes Letters to Laodeacia, that was published in 1987.
    The Letter To Laodicea  was written c. 1987 and delivered to Joseph W. Tkach, Sr. by certified mail.  

    September 26, 1990
    P.O. BOX 1787
    EDMOND, OK 73083

    RE: MALACHI'S MESSAGE To God's Church Today
    Yesterday I received unsolicited in the mail the above publication along with Volume 1, Nos. 1-5 of The Philadelphia Trumpet. I wish to inform you that I challenge your copyright of 1990, printed on page one of MALACHI'S MESSAGE and other copyrights of this message in your other publications. Whether it was done unknowingly or deliberately, many of your ideas are a direct and clear plagiarism of my work The Letter to Laodicea which was in stages published from December '86 through January '88. 
    The first parts of what would be a seven part letter I sent to Mr. Tkach via registered/ certified mail beginning December 1, 1986 (see enclosed copy). Later, the entire seven part message was sent to--I believe--every evangelist in the Worldwide Church of God both here and overseas. And, not only to them, but this message was mailed to many, if not all, of the ministers at headquarters. Additionally, many local pastors or elders in the United States (a few overseas, too) were sent this information. I have the mailing list of the ones which were contacted. Furthermore, I sent The Letter to Laodicea to hundreds of WCG members living in the United States and also to a few overseas. I have kept the complete mailing list. Finally, every regional office of The PLAIN TRUTH was sent this message. Thus, the files of the WCG are filled with the message that I delivered to it. 
    When the bulk of the mailings were finished, I began to proclaim this Laodicean message to church brethren on the streets of Pasadena, beginning the Last Day of Unleavened Bread in the spring of 1988. The WCG has a photo record of every banner, every sign, that I have displayed. More than a few of "your" ideas can be found on my signs. Not only have thousands of local church brethren seen these messages but also many thousands of American and foreign members have viewed them during the Feasts of Tabernacles of 1988 and 1989. It's now been two and one-half years that every Sabbath with few exceptions I have held the Laodicean message before the church's eyes on the streets around its headquarters. 
    For you to make the statement on page 67 that Dr. Hoeh "stated that the Church of God has entered into the Laodicean era" and that, having said this in the Spring of '88, this message "was quickly stopped by Church leaders" is absolutely ridiculous. Not counting the letters I sent him, I PERSONALLY delivered the Laodicean warning to him--via my ten foot banner--on a sidewalk outside the Imperial Schools. He said, "Good afternoon," as he walked on by. 
    Again, much of your material plagiarizes what I have written. You will not be allowed to claim it as your own. I would advise you to settle this according to Matthew 5:25-26.
    Jules Dervaes, Jr.  From: The Plain Truth About Malachi's Message
    As Flurry was busy plagerizing Dervaes Letter, he was searching for a way to present it to the church.  This is where Lil"Stevie comes into the picture.
    God reveals His truth to apostles and prophets (Ephesians 3:5), but that truth doesn’t rain into the Church until His man speaks to the Church. 
    You can see the same pattern in Revelation 11:1. When God measures His temple, first He measures the altar—then He measures “them that worship therein.” To get His message to the people, first it must go to the altar, or the ministry, when God reveals it to His man. It takes time, then, for that truth to get beyond the altar and to reach the Church. 
    As God was revealing Malachi’s Message, my children were at Ambassador College in Pasadena, California—my daughter, Laura, in her senior year; my son, Stephen, in his freshman year. That was where I felt they could get the best education on this Earth. But I became increasingly uneasy as I detected the wrong direction the leaders were taking God’s Church. Both of them were alerted to problems in the Church. I convinced Stephen to continue his education at the Ambassador campus at Big Sandy, Texas, closer to where I was in Oklahoma.
    This is also where the Robbers Cave then enters the picture.  Robbers Cave is a revered location of the PCG as "holy ground."
    EDMOND—“So what do you think?” the minister asked when his son paused while reading the manuscript. “Well, that definitely will get you fired,” his son responded.”  It was July 1989, and the young 19-year-old was on a Y.E.S. camping trip with his father at Robbers Cave in southeastern Oklahoma during the summer break. But this turned out to be more than your everyday summer camping excursion. It became a pivotal moment in the history of God’s Church and marked Robbers Cave State Park as an important historical location for the Philadelphia Church of God.   
    See: Robbers Cave, Philadelphia Church of God's Most Sacred and Holy Site and Standing On Holy Ground With Philadelphia Church of God at Robbers Cave State Park
     Flurry continues as he reveals that Lil'Steveie eventually read Malachi's Message and thus the 3 1/2 years of spiritual drought ends.  The revelation was back into the church and Lil'Steveie was the bringer of the "rain."
    Finally, my son read the rough draft of Malachis Message on Sunday, July 16, 1989—exactly 3½ years after Mr. Armstrong died! My son was positive in what he said, but he didn’t say much. I could tell he had been sobered by what he read. The sanctuary had already been cleansed, but it took a few months before that rain began to reach beyond the altar, or ministry. 
    In God’s eyes, that is when the “latter rain” began (James 5:7)—with my son. At that point, the drought ended. With great relief and joy, we thanked God that He was once again revealing truth to His very elect!
    As Flurry's health and mental facilites diminsh due to age and dementia setting in, he has to set into place and elevate Lil'Stevie to a place of promenance.  Lil'Steveie is beign set up to be the new Elijah for the chruich.  Eveytign about Lil'Stevies life is now of great spiritual significance.
    For me to give Malachi’s Message to my son placed a heavy responsibility on him. I knew this was going to be a test for my son. When something like that happens, we have to make the right decision! Clearly, the way God viewed it, that was a far more significant moment than it would have appeared.
    Young people, realize: My son really wrestled with that choice—as probably any unbaptized person would have. He loved college, yet here was his dad doing something that many members dismissed as rank rebellion! God made him choose—just as He makes each of us choose. It would have been so easy to turn away from God at that point and to miss all the blessings. But if we make the right choice, God can accomplish tremendous things in our lives! We must always strive to get ourselves out of the way and let God lead us.
    Look what one person can achieve by choosing correctly and going wherever God leads him! 
    The entire PCG is now an Elijah work:
    Mr. Armstrong is involved in our Work today in a way we had not understood before. And God is involved in the pcg much more deeply than we often think!  
    “Where is the God of Elijah?” He is extremelypcg today!
    Malachi's Message is now the most important book the PCG has now.  It is right up ther enext to HWA's Mystery of the Ages
    Malachi’s Message is the seminal book of the Philadelphia Church of God. When we came to understand that it was actually prophesied right in the middle of the greatest book of prophecy in the Biblethat significantly elevated Malachi’s Message in importance!
    PCG members who do not worship this book have serious spiritual issues and need to repent!
    If you want to identify the people of God, just find the little book of Revelation 10. It must be special to us. If it isn’t, we need to repent of that. 
    God’s end-time Elijah died January 16, 1986. Just 1,150 days later, God revealed the heart of Malachi’s Message to me. The sanctuary was cleansed.
    Then, 3½ years after Mr. Armstrong died, God began to rain new revelation (Malachi’s Message) into His Church beginning with my son—that continued the Elijah Work.
    God reveals through James how Mr. Armstrong was beseeching God to stop new revelation from entering His sinning Church—and then continue to provide it 3½ years later. That is when God started raining the little book into God’s faithful remnant. We now see his prayers were fulfilled in a specific time sequence, which makes our spirits soar!
    All of these events revolved around Mystery of the Ages—Mr. Armstrong’s most important book and a synopsis of the Bible. The message of the Bible was condensed into a smaller book—Mystery of the Ages. Why is this so vital? It clearly shows that the God of Elijah is powerfully alive in the pcg! The Elijah Work continues. 
    Flurry is also setting Lil"Stevie up as one of the two witless witnesses, though he says "no one knows who they are yet." 
    “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth” (Revelation 11:3-4). Very soon, two witnesses will come from this Church with a powerful message that will shock all humanity. 
    We are getting awfully close to the time of these two individuals! 
    Clearly the two witnesses would have to come from this Church, God’s faithful Philadelphia remnant. It is striking how directly God ties their work into the work of the pcg and the little book. 
    I don’t know who they are, nor do you. We don’t need to speculate about it. But I believe that God put the thought in my mind that we do need to tie their work in with the little book. It certainly is interesting the way it is linked here. 
    We need to carefully ponder these statements. 
    Consider the amazing events God is orchestrating for His Church. 
    On March 11, 1989, the sanctuary was cleansed, and God began to do a work again. But what good would it have been if God had given that revelation to me, and it never reached the people of God? That is who the message is for! 
    On July 16, 1989, that little book was delivered to my son, and from there that spiritual rain began to fall in the Church—“them that worship therein.” The drought ended.
    Rain doesn’t come from a man! Rain descends from above! Spiritual rain comes from God!
    Whoever the two witnesses are, Christ in them will be doing that work. How could men—apart from God—possibly fulfill a job like that? 
    As the PCG contnues to dwindle, they know they have a frighened base that will defend these teachings.  Fear stil runs rampant in the Church of God.


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  • 05/16/17--07:15: "You Know I love You..."
  •  I Corinthians 13 kinda

    If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, which you don't, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal, Dave and Gerry.  If I have the gift of prophecy, which you don't Bob, and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, which you can't, and if I have a faith that can move mountains,  which you have never done, but do not have love, I am nothing, which you are. If I give all I possess to the poor, which you never have thought of doing, and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, which is not what you come up with to boast as you do,  but do not have love, I gain nothing, which you won't. 

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 

    Love never fails. Unless someone disagrees with you of course. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; or never get off the ground in your case, where there are tongues, they will be stilled, or we could only hope in your case; where there is knowledge, which you lack in spades,  it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, and you still are,  I talked like a child, which you still do. I thought like a child,  ditto, I reasoned like a child. Yep, but when I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. Well not you.  12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror, and you find yourself beautiful; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, but you will figure it out by next week so just tune in; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.  13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love, well and your titles and delusions, stuff and simply terrible mistaken theology and grasp of scripture, history and context.

    Why don't the abused speak back to fake religious power?

    Why do they just sit there?
    Why be insulted with no reaction?
    Why be intimidated with no response?
    Why don't they defend their own?
    Why doesn't some say, "That sounds stupid"?
    Why doesn't someone say "See, you were wrong"?
    Why doesn't someone stand up and say "that's enough now"?
    Why do they come back?


    "love is arrogant and testy..."

    "Umm..Pastor....That was my dad on the phone... my mom died" 

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    From an LCG source:

    It looks like our new dynamic leader is not the big draw he thought he would be in Manhatteen.  Could part of the reason be is that he paired up with Jonathan McNair?  Two uber-legalistic gestapo agents in the same room is not appealing to anyone, including LCG members who did not turn out to support this appearance.
    Typical of a lacklustre ministry, they blamed the low turnout on something else other than their boring personalities and topic. It was those damn bikes in the city again!!!
    You will notice that Weston does not list how many attended either session.  This is partly because this blog made fun of their last few failures. You continue to be a thorn in their privileged backsides.
    With Mr Meredith days from dying, Weston is trying to make a name for himself and ends up failing every single time.  Members are waiting for Mr Meredith to die and when that happens you can expect people to start jumping ship into other COG's.

    Last weekend Jonathan McNair and I gave a Tomorrow’s World Presentation in Manhattan, New York. The attendance was short of what we expected as there was a bike tour going on that cut off easy access to the hotel for many, including some members. Nevertheless, the afternoon session, which we billed to be for those who wanted to get further involved in this Work, went very well and we believe some will do exactly that. Mr. Rod McNair recorded a Tomorrow’s World telecast titled, “Hope for the Next Generation.” We are preparing for Living University graduation and Council of Elders meetings this coming week. Mr. Lambert Greer, Mideast United States Regional Director, is scheduled to give the sermon in Charlotte this week. Dr. Meredith continues to grow weaker and your prayers for him and for his family are appreciated at this trying time. Please remember to pray for God’s guidance upon the Council meetings coming up and for His protection for all those traveling for them.—Gerald Weston

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    The Chruch of God has a rich history in disdaining and mocking higher education.  It was always labelled higher education as Satan's education in Satan's colleges and schools.  Part of that disdain came from Herbert Armstrong being ridiculed by his peers for not having a college education.  In his proud, arrogant and boastful mindset, he set about to prove them all wrong by spending countless hours parked in public libraries when he should have been out working at a job and providing for his family.  Armstrong also felt that by associating and being seen with highly successful business men, interviewing them and emulating them, would make him look more educated than he actually was.

    Church members were conditioned to look upon the Ambassador Colleges as God's colleges and therefore anything outside of Ambassador was Satan's colleges.  The teachers at Ambassador went out of their way to reinforce to the students that they were at GOD'S COLLEGE and that their education was something more special and elite than anything they could ever receive in the outside world.  That was why they called the Pasadena college the Church of God's version of West Point.

    Today in 2017, with several of the splinter groups running one room school house "colleges/universities" in their office buildings, that mindset still prevails.

    Doug Winnail is determined to stop that way of thinking, at least in the Living Church of God.  Like everything in Armstrongism, there is an ulterior motive to his thinking.  With church members being educated in worldly colleges/universities or attending good trade colleges, members would have higher incomes and therefore have more money to send into HQ.  Church members should never forget that Meredith and McNair boys need to have expensive yearly paid vacations Feast trips to exotic locales.

    The Value of Education: Over the years, some have concluded that getting an education is of little value to Christians. Since Satan is the god of this world, and Christians are commanded to come out of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 6:14-18), some have assumed that getting an education in this world is ungodly and/or a waste of time. Such ideas overlook how God has used individuals who were schooled in this world. Moses was raised as a prince in Egypt and was “learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians” (Acts 7:22). Solomon was knowledgeable in many areas (1 Kings 4:32-34), and he collected wise sayings in the book of Proverbs. Daniel was one of several intelligent young Jewish captives who were educated in Babylon “in the language and literature of the Chaldeans” before they were used by God (Daniel 1:3-4). Paul studied at the feet of Gamaliel, the leading rabbi of his day (Acts 5:34-39; 22:3), before being used by God to write 14 books in the New Testament. Numerous studies show that more education and training in a trade result in larger incomes, and this enables Christians to provide better for their families and support for the Work of the Church. Christians who understand the Truth of God and the Plan of God should take advantage of the opportunities to gain an education and marketable skills that will help them prepare to serve others now and in the Kingdom of God. This is one of the reasons why we developed Living University—to help God’s people prepare to lead and teach in Tomorrow’s World.
    Have a profitable Sabbath,
    Douglas S. Winnail

    It's always about the money.

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    Gerald Weston has an article up on the Living Church of God member site (Choose life over lentils) trying to encourage LCG members to "fight the good fight" and stay loyal to the LCG, otherwise, you most likely will be eating Satan's lentil soup.
    How many have we known along the way who dropped out of the race? What form of lentil soup were they pursuing? What difficulty was so great that they would toss in the towel and give up eternal life? Clearly, they lost the vision or never had it. Sadly, most never realized the gravity of the choice they were making. What about you? Do you recognize how the little decisions each day—whether to pray, whether to study, whether to fast, whether to give of yourself for others—all add up to whether you are choosing eternal life or lentil soup?
    What Weston fails to realize is that those who leave the LCG are NOT turning their backs on eternal life, or freedom in Christ, or any other thing you want to call it.  The fact is their very life may depend upon leaving LCG!  Sanity and human dignity are required by many to make that choice compared to remaining shackled to the legalistic mumbo-jumbo that the church passes off as "truth."

    Weston starts his article off in typical COG fashion, continually ingraining in members that their salvation is forfeited if they leave the church.
     Make Your Decisions with Care
    The Bible reveals that the decisions we make today should be made with care, as they may carry with them long-term consequences. Esau realized too late that his birthright was of far greater value than a bowl of soup. He was tired and hungry. How could he know? Then again, how could he not know? God tells us he despised his birthright and, “afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears” (Hebrews 12:17). As we are told in Genesis 27:38, “And Esau lifted up his voice and wept.” The die was cast! Imagine what it will be like in the resurrection when he realizes, to a degree he could never understand in his lifetime, the value of that bowl of lentils: the incredible real estate later given to the sons of Joseph! 
    Weston goes on to state that those who leave the church have no vision in their life, who gave up on the church and therefore have turned their back on Weston's god.
    Yet there are those who have little vision and who trade away the Kingdom of God for today’s lentil soup. Luke 9:57–62 gives three examples of men called to follow Christ, but who apparently chose to act on other priorities. While the rewards of discipleship are wonderful beyond our imagination, the immediate cost can be significant to mere humans such as you and me. This is why we are told we must “count the cost,” and why we normally review Luke 14:26 and the verses that follow prior to baptizing someone. For Jesus declared, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.” We understand that “hate” here means to “love less by comparison,” yet some have been forced to choose between a spouse and obedience to God. Others have had to make a choice that disappoints and angers their parents. And how many have lost jobs or been passed over for promotions for following God’s Truth? 
    The church has always held up as "spiritual martyr's" those that leave spouses or their jobs in order to belong to the church. If the church was actually a new covenant church then this would NEVER be an issue.  These so-called "martyr's" ruined some part of their lives because they followed men who placed more importance upon the rules and their own man-made interpretations than following a life of grace, mercy and freedom.  Freedom is anathema in the Church of God.  How dare people want to be free from the shackles of the law! How dare they might possibly screw things up in life and move onward without fear, instead of wallowing in guilt and shame. Damn Jesus for ever giving a hint of the concept where grace, mercy and love trump the law.

    Then Weston makes the following absurd statement:
    None of this should come as a surprise to those who read the scriptures, but did we ever hear a sermon on this subject in the churches that some of us once attended? I never did! And what about this passage? “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me” (Matthew 10:34–37). We should never take these words lightly or think that Jesus did not mean them!
    I don't know what planet he was on, but this has been the ongoing message the church has pawned off on members for decades.  The god that the church has always preferred is the god who was coming with a sword, the god that is eternally pissed off, and the god who is filled with extreme wrath.

    Be damned the good Samaritan who helps the person by the side of the road. Be damned the person who reaches out a hand to the prostitute and makes them a person of worth.  Be damned the person who cooks a meal for a homeless person on the street. Jesus screwed up the picture and COG leaders are not happy about it.

    Because Weston and his cronies have turned their backs on new covenant understanding, they have to continually be in a battle fighting for their salvation. It is exhausting work for these guys, as they have been doing it for 40/50/60 some years. For a person who understands the new covenant they know that the battle has been fought, victory has been accomplished and peace is found in being at rest, knowing they no longer have to fight.  The good fight has been fought and won.

    Weston ends using one more dose of fear. Anyone that dares to leave the church will be wailing and gnashing their teeth over that decision at some point in the future.
    There are several references in the New Testament describing a future day when some will weep and gnash their teeth over the poor decisions they made. They will only understand after gaining a glimpse into what they traded away. Right now, we do not know all that God has in mind for His faithful children. How can we know? We are physical, mortal beings. God is Spirit and eternal. But we can trust our Heavenly Father. And we can do as Moses, who chose “rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward” (Hebrews 11:25–26, KJV).
    Weston and his ilk in the COG want church members to continue to trust like Moses instead of trusting like Jesus did. They never seem to say much about anything the dude did, but sure love to talk about Jewish heroes. Because that misplaced devotion is on rules, Weston and the LCG cannot for upon spiritual and eternal things that make new covenant Christians perfectly at peace and perfectly comfortable LEAVING the LCG.

    No one's salvation is at stake for leaving the Living Church of God. God is not going to damn you to the lake of fire. In fact, your very life may depend upon leaving the church, given the bloody track record of LCG history.

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    Leave it to those fun and crazy guys in the "christian" Church of "god", or the Coxites, as many know them.  Thanks to deluded teachings for Wade Cox, his personality cult believes that the two witless witnesses are Enoch and Elijah who will come back to raise Coxite hell in Jerusalem.  While other COG's believe these witless witnesses will arise from within the COG, the Coxites see it differently.

    The Coxites also do not believe that Enoch and Elijah were transported anywhere past the orbit of the
    earth, where they have apparently been circling the earth for a couple millennia now.  During that time they have been planning their strategy by using the millions of Sabbatarian CCG members in Africa that Wade has converted as their army.  Since Wade has converted half of the African continent into his personality cult, it is going to be one huge army of Sabbath keepers with a few million Muslims thrown in for good measure, since they too are part of God's Wade's "true" church.
    Russell Hilburn We were all originally called keepers of the way because we all walk the path with Messiah. Anyone who follows the the path taught by preachers of righteousness such as Enoch are walking with God. Enoch followed the path of righteousness on earth and was credited as walking with God. He was then taken in a Fiery Chariot to travel in time in near orbit. Not to the throne of God. Enoch stopped off and picked up Elijah because he needed to bum a ride to the Last Days. They will both show up together in Jerusalem with a bung wrench to open up the 55 gallon barrel of WA.May 4 at 8:44pm
    Enoch and Elijah are no more orbiting of the earth in a chariot than Wade is a prophet of God.  Enoch and Elijah died and were buried.

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    The Koran or Qur’an is an important work that is the Holy Testament 
    of approximately one billion people. 
    Few understand its original message and intent. 
    It is correctly a commentary on the Bible by
     the Unitarian Sabbatarians in Arabia in the seventh century of the Current Era.  
    Wade Cox

    If you thought the Church of God could not get any crazier, then check this out from Wade Cox. The deluded mind of Cox is presently working on a "commentary" on the Koran, from an Armstrongist point of view. According to him the Muslims are to directly intervene in the sad state of affairs in the Churches of God and correct their mistakes.  Did I say things couldn't get any crazier????

    We only have a very short time to finish our job and to reach the Arab tribes both the Arabs of Keturah and the Arabicised Arabs of Ishmael and of the other Shia and Hadithic Muslims in the world. We have less than Seven years and we must be finished by 2024 in order to save the lives of the one claiming to be Muslims and also those claiming to be Christians. We have much less time to save those claiming to be of the churches of God. They of the Sardis and Laodiceans will be exterminated by the end of the Witnesses and the arrival of the Messiah.
    It is critical that they understand and realise that they have to correct the errors of the Armstrong offshoots and the COG (SD) and also the errors of the E. G White of the SDAs and the errors of the JWs. Never has there been a time where the churches of God and the Sabbath system been so corrupted and where Hadithic and Shia Islam has been such a poison among mankind.
    As if any Muslim is going to waste their time trying to "correct" Armstrongism.  It is laughable beyond belief.

    Cox claims he has the correct calendar that the church should be using.  James Malm claims the same thing.  Bob Thiel claims the same thing too.  Various COG's claim they do.  Yet, not a single one of them know what they are talking about.  Besides, it is NOT a salvation issue.

    The paganised Arabs when they took over Islam and the Jews when they were banished in 70 CE at the fall of the Temple destroyed their calendar, following their heresy, under the Will of God. Hillel II issued the false calendar in 358 CE. Paganised Islam destroyed their calendar at the end of the Eighth century CE 

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    What was the alien’s mission? To announce the arrival of his species who had expressed their interest towards the Egyptian people. The Pharaoh held the visitor in high regards and the papyrus scroll claims that the Great Pyramid was actually built as a receptacle for the crystal capsule containing the small humanoid.

    This is the kind of idiocy that Wade Cox 
    post on the church Facebook page for his cult:

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    It is amazing that there are still some in the church that feel Herbert Armstrong is going to be resurrected to come back as one of the two witless witnesses.  How can he really come back when Bob Thiel, Gerald Flurry and Dave Pack, all claim they or their minions will be the two witnesses.  Just how many COG witless witnesses does the world need?

    The Kitchen clan has this up on Facebook:
    These two anointed ones all apart of this same golden lampstand that is with mr. Herbert W Armstrong!  
    Only one Church - the worldwide Church of God! 
    Since Zerubabbel is listed as one of the anointed ones, mr. Armstrong fulfilling this end time type, and since God only works through one man at a time, the second anointed one must be the main of the two witnesses!
    Apparently one of HWA's assistants will also come back to life to stand next to HWA as the troll the streets of Jerusalem for a few days.   Far too many believe this to be Garner Ted.  That is why he needs "cleaned up." There can't be any whoremongerer calling down fire from heaven when he has his eye on some nubile middle eastern woman.
    If you listen to Gerald Waterhouse's sermons you will find that the second witness only gives witness to the first Witness! The Joshua the high-priest type mentioned​ in Zechariah 3 and 4 was an assistant to mr. Armstrong! He will give witness the main Witness! He was there!
    But the second Witness will need to be cleaned up first. 
    The entire world will soon be worshipping at the feet of Herbert.  As ususal,, Jesus is no where to be seen.
    But notice worldwide Church of God under Herbert W Armstrong is the spiritual Temple that Jesus Christ will return to! Before mr. Armstrong the great Mountain Babylon will be made low. So when Jesus Christ returns with his bride his church Babylon will be stopped. Need Revelation 3 and verse 9 and read how the synagogue of Satan or return to worship God at the feet of God's apostle mr. Herbert W Armstrong knowing that God loves him​. 
    Not some other Church but the church that Christ raised up to Herbert W Armstrong called the worldwide Church of God! That is the only lampstand the candlestick that is here today.
    And it will be the one that continues into the world tomorrow!
    There is no candlestick today. No lampstand.  No two trees. No prophet.  No apostle. No witless witnesses.  The "worldwide" Church of God is dead.  Hundreds and hundreds of splinter groups being lead by liars and false prophets who enslave their members with legalistic bullshit.  That is no legacy of Herbert Armstrong to look up to.

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    The Church of God Chief Narcissist is making another outlandish claim about his superfantabulous self. Has there ever been a man born on earth who is as awesome as Dave is?  How long will it be till he declares he was immaculately conceived?

    Dave claims he is the ONLY man to stand up to the WCG and the Tkach's over the doctrinal changes.   Dave thinks that the Tkach's and others were so incensed by his actions that they wanted to kill him, instead, they threw him out on his ass and marked him.

    The way the Catholics come in…And I’ll take you in a moment to this; it will help you understand the fraud…it opens kind of like this—“if you like your doctor, you can keep him…If you like your Sabbath, you can keep it…If you like your policy, you can keep it…If you like your Holy Days, you can keep it…and the prices will go down.” I watched this system, and brethren, I want to say something that I hope, I hope shocks you. I watched this system. I have actually already…I am the only man on Earth, who, by himself, already went up against this system. That’s why I wrote There Came a Falling Away.
    I know what they would have done to me if they could. They would have killed me, but they threw me out—marked me all over the world. It’s the same system—people who came in God’s Name—who, eventually many other people realized weren’t of God at all. But I went up against it, and I dealt with it. I called leaders—by myself. That’s why I was the first man fired. And I saw how they would come in and “bait and switch.” “We’re not going to get rid of the Law, Sabbath and Holy Days.” I kept saying, “Yes they are!”
    Never fear though, Dave escaped with his life so that his god could use him to bring 15,000 people out of the WCG.

    I even escaped before it really got bad, you know? And helped a lot of other people escape. So in a way, and I’m not trying to brag, I was just…all I was…I used to tell people, “Don’t make me a villain or a hero. I’m neither one. I’m just a guy who signed a contract in the blood of Jesus Christ, and I’m not going to break it. If a lot of people are with me…great! If it’s only a few…not great, but that’s okay. I don’t care. I didn’t sign on for whether there were a lot or a few.” And I said that over and over and over and over and over and over again. I’m not a hero and I’m not a villain. I’m just a guy who’s going to keep his word, since it was signed in my Savior’s blood. You think the same way but I just want you to know—been there and done that.
    Super Dave!
    So you might ask…It might be inspiring to you…You’ll know a little bit more about me…if I’ve waded into the first perilous—dangerous—furious time—by myself…do you think I won’t do it the next time? Don’t kid yourself. That’s why I wrote all the books about how to get out. I was assassinated…Believe me, they would have killed me, if they could. You’ve got to understand the system. There’s nothing new under the sun.
    So…I went up against the system and escaped. So I hope, in a way, that inspires you. I’m not trying to go…hey, pat me on the back here. I’m going to show you how all of you…what escape looks like…when all of you, individually, know that you did. I’m going to tell you exactly what happens. That’s next week. But I thought you might find it encouraging that I…It could be said, I know whereof I speak.

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    Ever so humble Dave Pack:

    You know, you better understand why, when we’re going to wade in…Can I just tell you, brethren. I’ve been trained to do it. That’s why God raised up a shepherd. Mr. Armstrong’s background was a little different. I’m a shepherd…I’d still love to be one. I love my calling. And believe me, I wasn’t complaining earlier about my difficult schedule. I get up every Sabbath morning, and I’m almost like a kid in a candy shop. I can’t wait to distribute this marvelous knowledge, so everybody else can know what God is showing me, and we can all know it together. Oh, I love it! So there’s no complaint there. But I do hope you’ll understand—I’m trained for this. I led the way alone the last time.
    Dave cannot wait to get up every Saturday so he can dispense his superfantabulous knowledge to his little minions.

    Yes, Bob Thiel, Dave was trained to do this mighty work, YOU were not!  You self-appointed yourself.  Dave is the rightful heir to the church, YOU are not. Besides, Dave was created for this very day, YOU were not.  It must be so humiliating to know Dave is so superfantabulous and YOU are not.

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  • 05/19/17--09:16: Roderick C Meredith Dies

  • Offical LCG Statment

    It is with great sadness that we announce the death of Dr. Roderick C. Meredith, Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God.  He had been suffering from cancer and died peacefully late Thursday night, May 18, 2017.  He would have been 87 years old in June and took his 67th Passover this year.  He is survived by his 6 children, 10 grandchildren and 4 great-grandchildren.
    Dr. Meredith was one of the first evangelists ordained by Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong in 1952 and spent 64 years in the Work that Christ began through Mr. Armstrong.  He was active in the Work until recent months. The Living Church of God, which Dr. Meredith raised up, has more than 350 congregations in 55 countries worldwide. He is succeeded as Presiding Evangelist by Mr. Gerald E. Weston.
    Even after the partial paralysis of a stroke in 2008, Dr. Meredith pushed himself to continue to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world and to shepherd the flock. His greatest wish was for the Work in which he labored for so long to go forward in unity and power under Jesus Christ.  We look forward to seeing him again in the resurrection at Christ’s return.
    The funeral is scheduled for Sunday, May 28 with Mr. Richard F. Ames presiding. An additional announcement will be made with details.
    The family requests that donations be made to the Living Church of God in lieu of sending flowers.
    Prayers are requested for God’s comfort and peace for his beloved family.

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