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Is Hillary Clinton the antichrist? Does Bible prophecy foretell of a woman ruling over this nation? Is she about to bring down the United States so that the rampaging Germans, Muslims and Chinese can come over and put us all in concentration camps or ship us off to be slaves in Europe?
Chief Overseer, Doubly Blessed Prophet, God's Most Highly Favored Son, Bob Elijah Elisha Amos Joshua Thiel has all the answers. But first he has to consult his pagan, Buddhist, Muslim and Catholic sources to find the truth he needs to deliver. Bob Amos Thiel's sources are sooooooooo reliable that he has the "where,""why,""when" and how this woman is supposed to bring death and destruction to the country...all from pagan sources.
The review (which he wrote) of his book selling on Amazon says this:
"Hillary Clinton, Prophecy, and the Destruction of the United States" explains about how, by virtue of her background and policies, Hillary Clinton is fulfilling, and will continue to help fulfill, various prophecies that will lead to the destruction of the United States. Not intended as an anti-Democratic nor pro-Republican book, "Hillary Clinton, Prophecy, and the Destruction of the United States" also tells the truth about Republican leaders and why their practices would also lead to destruction. It answers questions many question. Is Hillary Clinton apocalyptic? Does Bible prophecy warn about a woman leading the USA? Could Hillary Clinton be the Antichrist? Citing Islamic, Buddhist, Catholic, Byzantine, Native American, and Bible prophecy, as well as the writings of Nostradamus and others,"Hillary Clinton, Prophecy, and the Destruction of the United States" explains from many sources where, why, when, and even some of how, the various aspects of destruction will come. Since Dr. Thiel first wrote about the Obama Administration in his 2009 book, it has taken steps to fulfill, at least partially, at least a dozen predictions that Dr. Thiel recorded. More will be fulfilled as well. Would you like to learn more about what Hillary Clinton has done and the real direction that the United States and its British-descended allies such as the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are really going? This highly referenced book documents the truth about this.With Hillary in the news a lot lately, the False Prophet of Pagan Mysteries, has started promoting his book again. Today he writes:
Hillary Clinton was born of parents who were basically of English, Welsh, Scottish, and French descent. Her heritage is of interest biblically. A reading of the Book of Genesis shows that Israel specifically placed his name on the two sons of Joseph named Ephraim and Manasseh (Genesis 48:14-16), neither of which were Jewish.
What does any of this have to do with Hillary Clinton?
Well as it turns out, since everyone had to descend from someone, ultimately their progenitors are somewhere listed in the Bible. Hence, biblical writings and prophecies can often be tied to descendants of those progenitors the Bible discusses.
Why is it that Church of God false prophets and liars have to drag British Israelism into every one of their propehcies? Hillary Clinton is so far removed from Biblical progenitors that it is an impossibility to make such a claim. Myths in Armstrongism are hard to shatter.
Then he says this:
Now, because the U.S. has already had women rule in high positions such as U.S. Supreme Court justices, senators, Chair of the Federal Reserve, and U.S. Secretary of State, it may not be prophetically required that a woman be its president to fulfill part of the prophecy in Isaiah 3:12. But since the Anglo-Saxon nations have all had females as their top executive, it would follow that the U.S.A. likely could as well. Could that be Hillary Rodham Clinton?then he makes this claim when Americna chose to rebuild building sin New York after 9/11. That pr0ehcy is also in the Bible...well, may the WorldNetDaily bible, but not in any one else, even though he tries to claim so:
How could this be related to Hillary Clinton?
Notice some of what Mrs. Clinton stated in 2007:
More than five years after 9/11, we still have not secured our borders, our railways, our mass transit systems, our ports, our chemical plants, our nuclear facilities and more…You know, one of the most discouraging aspects of the Bush-Cheney Administration is the way they have talked down America. They have been fatalistic. I reject that out of hand. We can do whatever we set our minds to. We can roll up our sleeves. We can be problem solvers again. And I have faith that we will answer that call. With your help we will rebuild America. (Clinton, Hillary: “Remarks on Infrastructure,” August 8, 2007. Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project.)
At least one prophecy-watcher has believed that American politicians making statements like “we will rebuild” are taking defiance types of positions that Isaiah warned against (‘The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment’: U.S. in crosshairs. WND, February 2012). Like ancient Ephraim and Manasseh, God was left out of the equation.
Since certain prophecies about Samaria appear to be directed towards the U.S.A. of the 21st century (e.g. Isaiah 10:4-11; Hosea 7:1-3), and this makes those ties to Isaiah 9 potentially stronger.
Hillary Clinton has been one of several leaders to at least partially fulfill this because of how she has called for rebuilding. And she may do more along this line.Talk about taking something out of context!
You can read his latest illogical tirade here for other fun things, nothing biblical, but fun.
Just when you think the silliness of Dave Pack and Armstrongism can't get any sillier, Dave goes and opens his mouth.
Apparently after 49,300 Church of God members leave the three largest Church of Gods when their leaders die, they will be heading over to the Restored Church of God where they will help Elijah Pack rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. Before his bastardized creature he calls "jesus" returns, his First Dominion will be in place where he and his 50,000 church members will be riding around on the backs of angels in Jerusalem as they judge everyone. While all of this has been going on in Dave's First Dominion, Satan and his demons are in heaven with Dave's god. Then after this god gets really, really pissed at Satan, he will be cast out of heaven back to earth where he will make war with Dave's 50,000 members and many will be deceived.
He is teaching that Matthew 24:15 proves there will be a third physical temple before the tribulation, Romans 2:9 shows the Jews are saved first and uses prophetic scriptures that mention Judah to conclude that God will give control of the temple mount to the Church and the Jews. Elijah who is also that Prophet will restore all things and rebuild the temple and Church members will be judges who rule Judah and eventually the world, with healings and animal natures changed BEFORE the tribulation and the return of Christ at the 7th Trump but in the "presence" of Christ. This will be preceded by the short work of Revelation 10:11, (the greatest Work ever!) which he claims is referred to as the times of refreshing of Acts 3:19. This rule by perhaps 50,000 human judges residing in Jerusalem and riding on angels he calls the first dominion based on Micah 4:8. After this millennial bliss (and he applies most of the millennial scriptures to this time) there will be the falling away of 2 Th 2 when many will be deluded because they liked the benefits but not the law of God. Satan and the demons have been held captive in heaven during this "first dominion" and when they come back to earth the deception and tribulation begin.
From 1997 WCGnet: This is just as applicable today to those leaving the Living Church of God, United Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God, Restored Church of God and other splinter groups.
I received this the other day. It details once again just how nasty the leadership is in the Living Church of God. More mistreatment by Bob League and Rod McNair. Why do/did members put up with these two slim balls?
I read some of your blog posts with great interest. Rod McNair is a very nasty, suspicious man. I truly hate to speak ill of the dead but, Bob League was an evil man as well.
My boyfriend is a former member of the WCG. He also used to work for Ron Dart & Ted Armstrong. He also graduated from Ambassador College.
He would tell me all of the horror stories about Herbert & people being "disfellowshipped" for insane reasons. I begged him to take me to visit the LCG congregation in Charlotte.
He went on his own in the summer of 2014. Now, understand, that he knows many of the members of the LCG in Charlotte because of his long history with the Church of God. That was the first time he had been there in 4 or 5 years.
My boyfriend owns a bible college and we also have a Sabbath keeping congregation that meets in the morning. He likes to be able to go to other churches to be fed, not to steal congregants.
One of the members of the LCG ran and "tattled" to Bob League that my boyfriend was there. Bob and three other men took my boyfriend in to a room and proceeded to scream at him. They told him that he had no right to start a college. He didn't have the authority to do it. Well, the state of North Carolina gave him the authority to open a bible college. My boyfriend doesn't answer to the LCG.
I thought he was joking when he told me this. It was just so absurd. No, he wasn't joking. Those men had the audacity to tell my boyfriend that because the LCG didn't authorize his college, he had no right to open it.
Summer 2015 I finally talked him in to taking me. We got there late so, we slipped in the back. When the service was over we went out to where everyone was having snacks. Someone must have told Rod McNair that we were there because he made a bee-line for us. He took my boyfriend in to a room to question him about why he was there We were just there for fellowship. No other reason. No one would speak to us. They treated us like leapers.
A month later, my boyfriend when back with one of the professors from our college. Just to visit, no other reason. As soon as Rod McNair saw him, he immediately started interrogating him about why he was there. He tried again to explain that he was only there to fellowship.
A couple of days later, Rod McNair called my boyfriend. We have NO idea how he got his number. He told my boyfriend that he wasn't comfortable with him coming to their church. The only reason he would give is that it was because he has his own congregation. We weren't trying to "sheep steal".
Rod McNair was NASTY and mean. He told my boyfriend that he can't come back unless he calls and asks permission first. What church does this? My boyfriend does have his own congregation BUT, everyone is welcome. You don't have to go through a screening process to even be told where the meeting is. If anyone wants to come to our church, they are more than welcome. We want to share Jesus Christ with anyone that will listen. We keep the Sabbath and Holy Days and if people want to learn, we help them.
I grew up Southern Baptist so, this behavior by Rod McNair and Bob League is completely bizarre to me. Southern Baptists open their doors wide to every one. I never dreamed that so-called Christians could be so nasty.
There has been a fun discussions on Facebook about Wade Cox, the "christian" Church of God leader that splintered off a couple decades ago as the one and only true church leader. The topic was brought up on how he took over a Facebook group that was for former Church of God members and those that had left various splinter groups. It was an interesting group till Wade popped on and began to snarl and spit absolute nonsense. It then disintegrated into pure hell as a group. Group members were told that they would be FORCED by his god to bow to him and all of his church members in the end times. We would actually bow in worship to him! Even Dave Pack, who leads the most superfantabulous Church of God EVER, has never said people would worship him...though he gets pretty close since he has called himself everything but Jesus.
Someone pointed out another church blog that has many quotes about the guy.
They had this:
Date: early September, 2010
Wade Cox"Our worst persecution was within the WCG from among our own so-called brethren.They will be made to bow down and worship us. They left the faith for Trinitarianism and Binitarian/Ditheism and they will be punished. They keep the wrong Calendar as do the Jews of modern Judaism and they will be brought to account before us soon."
Wade Cox"The Babylonian system has penetrated everything from Judaism and the Trinitarian system to the WCG and the Offshoots and the COG (SD) Denver and the sDAs and SDBs in the US and whatever. They all keep the Babylonian Calendar with its system of intercalations as set in the Hillel Calendar which many of the white churches of god keep. There is no excuse for it.
How can one keep a calendar which uses the Babylonian intercalations and the Babylonian date system with this year as 5711 and keep Atonement on Saturday a day late this year and the Holy Days a day late also and not be part of the synagogue of Satan.
The Sardis and Laodicean systems are part of the synagogue of Satan andthey will bow down and worship the Phildelphian era but so will the others including rabbinical Judaism no matter what their lin
Group members struck back at him and his high horse kicked into gear. He soon brought in other cCG members and appointed one of his minions as group administrator and then started threatening to sue every one. Such fun!
He claims his "work" is the most amazing thing this side of Dave Pack and Bob Amos Elijah Elisha Thiel. You have got feel sorry for Wade, he was never doubly blessed or set apart by anyone. But his group far exceeds ANYTHING the Church of God has ever seen.
Wade Cox"CCG is not an offshoot of WCG. It is far greater than WCG and the vast majority of its members have never seen the inside of WCG."
There there these fun tidbit:
"We have now the full facts that Hitler was a full blooded jew."
Wade Cox"When we say US people we mean mean those people in the WCG and offshoot system that are totally incapable of independent thought and of not following a man in the insane cult of the personality that permeates the US religious and political system.""Let us hold these bootlickers up to the examination and criticism they all so richly deserve."
Wade Cox"When Messiah returns to take over the world, as we are told he will, the elect of the First Resurrection will take over from the demons in assisting Christ to rule the world."
This all comes form a man who has converted over half of the African Continent into his church. 7th Day Adventists and others are flocking to him by the thousands. He also is claiming that the will covert Muslims over to his side and teach them the laws of the Old testament. What fund theism that would be! Leave sharia law for old testament law where women, children and sinners would be stoned to death. He might as well buy into Dominionism, the cult that is rising onto power in this country right now. He would fit in perfectly.
Int will be a cold day in Petra before I bow down or anyone else here bows down to worship this agent of deception.
These pictures are from an auction held in New York City, April 11, 1995 at Christie's. This was just one of many auctions held in New York and Los Angeles concerning the sale of Herbert Armstrong's collection of gold, silver and fine art. Much of the fine art and metalwork were purchased during the time HWA was mailing out letters to the membership demanding that they cut back and send in more money. The "Work" was always in a state of distress. Many members did indeed sacrifice and mailed in more money. The result - HWA was on treasure hunting trips to Harrod's in London and other UK locations buying treasures for his three homes and college campuses (St Alban's, England, Big Sandy, TX and Pasadena, CA).
While Mrs. Armstrong was alive and in the early years of the church they lived in a modest house on Hill Ave (now owned by Cal Tech). When Loma Armstrong died Herb began shedding his 'simple' life style for the extravagant one. This was also the time Gerald Waterhouse and Dean Blackwell started blabbering that HWA was an Apostle. And as you all know from the Bible, Apostles were meant to travel around the world speaking to world leaders, give them gifts of Steuben crustal, and play host to them at extravagant dinner parties at the various campus homes. Apostles were ordained by God to live lives with the finest the earth and humankind has to offer. This easy justification lead to multiple millions of dollars in extravagance by HWA, evangelists, faculty, certain department heads and many ministers.
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Sold for $27,600.00
Sold for $4,370.00
Sold for $2,700.00
Edward VI Silver-gilt Warwick Vase
$5,000 - 8,000
Sold For $5,650.00
Sold for $74,000.00
Sold for $24,150.00
Sold for $16,100.00
Pictured above is the current price of Louis XIII Remy Martin Grande Champagne Cognac.
This was one of Herbert Armstrong's favorite evening indulgences. The container the cognac is in is a baccarat crystal decanter and comes in a velvet lined red case.
At HWA's death there were three of these sitting on his liquor shelves in the basement, along with loads of other expensive alcoholic delights. Upstairs there were two more in the cabinets.
When HWA was buying these (or should I say the church members were with their tithe money) he was paying around $750.00. That was in the mid-1980's. Twenty-five years later the price is running at $2,195.00. That is one expensive indulgence! Particularly when he was drinking it out of his St Louis Excellence Cognac/sherry glasses that were appraised at $250.00 each in 2000.
I found some old computer disks that had some save messages from the old WCGnet that was a great source of information for following the train wreck that was the Worldwide Church of God through all of the changes. I don't know who the author was.
What a relief! We can watch first hand the destruction of the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand all on Facebook!!!!!!! All of this through the wit and wisdom of the most knowledgeable Church of "god" leader ever. We are sooooooo blessed!
You will be eternally blessed to know he endorses Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders over Hillary and Ted. In fact he wants Trump and Sanders to run together on one ticket!
You can join this most amazing Facebook page ever created. Its also on our favorite topic of British Israelism! Even though it has been totally debunked by countless people those entrenched in Armstrongism still think it is true and relevant. Since it has zero meaning to any new covenant Christian, it only is relevant to those entranced in the law.
Decline and Fall of the US and BC
Read it and weep...or maybe vomit...
From crazy lunatic COG preachers claiming their members will be riding around on the back of angels; to all of the Elijah's, Elisha's and Amos's; to frauds claiming to have converted hoards of Muslims to the truth; to Witless Witness Ron Weinland and now a person who has the ability to know exactly WHO the four breasts of Revelation are. Only in the Church of God can you find such willing lunatics ready to spout complete idiocy.
Today's agent of God's secret information is Phinehas Eleazar who knows exactly who the four humans are that are the beasts of Revelation. For many here these will be men you may know or have heard of.
Eleazar used to be part of Gerald Flurry's personality cult, but left it because he was more theologically educated than Flurry.
Eleazar writes this:
IDENTITY OF THE FIRST BEAST Now, with these two remarkable attributes mentioned about this first beast, who among the ministers in the Philadelphia Church of God had exhibited these qualities during his reign as a king over a very wide region in God’s church?
This first beast in Daniel’s dream represents none other than John Macdonald, the former Regional Director of Africa, Asia, and Oceania and his reign in those regions in the past, prior to his demotion to Associate Pastor.
IDENTITY OF THE SECOND BEAST This second beast in Daniel’s dream represents Evangelist Alex Harrison, who replaced John Macdonald in 2015 as Regional Director of Africa, Asia, and Oceania.
IDENTITY OF THE THIRD BEAST
This third beast may well represents four regional heads in the region of the United States, including Canada. As leopards are solitary animals that have large territories so are these ministers rule over a wide regions.
The oppression and killings of God’s people was a worldwide experience. It was not an isolated case. It did not just happen in one country or region. It did not only occurred in Asia, Africa, and Oceania.
The Great Tribulation happened to God’s people in all nations around the world. So, obviously, the wide territories of Manasseh was not spared.
This third beast with four heads are ministers who are also hooked on preying upon God’s people. These kings or ministers who are leopards with spots are accustomed to do evil.
“Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. (Jeremiah 13:23)
Many atrocities committed by PCG ministers from this region were recorded and detailed in exitsupportnetwork.com.
The hunting techniques of these four kings is typically feline-like similar to the first beast. They are known to lurk in the dark and spring suddenly upon innocent and poor people.
Then the best part of all is the name of the Fourth Beast.
IDENTITY OF THE STOUTER HORN
Now, who among the ministers in The Philadelphia Church of God will match these initial descriptions about this stouter horn?
Who is this minister who has fellows surrounding him, whose appearance became greater than them and became the captain of their confederacy?
Who is this minister who exalts and magnifies himself and now has the control of the whole PCG and makes major or important decisions for the church?
This stouter horn is none other than Stephen Flurry!
Why is it that Armstrongism has breed such complete lunacy in so many people? For a church that claimed to be restored Christianity and to have inspired leaders that were the only ones God was working with after 1,900 years, it sure has been one screwed up mess of some of the craziest idiots we have ever seen! God certainly must have had a lapse in judgment. Imagine waiting for 1,900 years to hand your divine truth off to these idiots! The worst and saddest part is that no matter how idiotic these people are, how abusive they are, or how morally bankrupt they are, people will still follow them.
You can read about this marvelous salvation worthy information on Phinehas Eleazar's web site: The Last End: A Book of Remembrance This site has some of the most crazy stuff you will ever read concerning the Church of God and the Philadelphia Church of God.
More propaganda for the apostate crazies in Edmond.
Fear is one of the biggest tools used to control members. Make them fear for their safety and eternal salvation and they will follow you anywhere...like Petra...or drink kool-aid...or believe the silliest things imaginable.
1. HWA was the first to preach the true Gospel in 1900 years
2. HWA learned from no man and he restored 18 truths to the church
3. God specially trained HWA for his unique, end-time mission
4. HWA was given key to prophecy (Identity of Israel) from God
5. HWA was highly accurate in foretelling future events
6. The WCG was God’s government on earth; HWA was God’s sole end-time Apostle
7. WCG was the one, true church and could trace its’ roots back through the ages
8. All universities are bad because they turn almost all students into God denying atheists
9. Members that were not donating enough money would go to the “the lake of fire”
10. Petra was the place of safety, the final training ground
11. HWA completed his work in 1972 (...but, oh, um, well, actually HWA was given a special commission to “preach the Gospel to heads of nations”)
12. HWA preached the gospel to world leaders
13. Existing members would go to “the lake of fire”; existing ministers were deceived and rebellious
14. Doctors, modern medicine, and make-up were; divorce was unacceptable
15. The church would not compromise 1/100% of the Truth
16. HWA’s marriage with Ramona was God’s will
17. Divorce was ok, make up was a non-issue, and doctors and medicine were ok as well
18. The State of California’s investigation into fraud was “the most MONSTROUS conspiracy and attack Satan ever launched against God's Work!”
19. WCG knew what positions David, Moses, Joshua, HWA would hold in the kingdom of God
20. God would not let HWA die before Christ returned; loyalty to HWA was paramount
21. Post HWA, Mr. Tkach would lead us into the kingdom and loyalty to him was now paramount
There is a comment on the Silenced blog in regards to the Withering Branches of the Church of God. It poses a great question in wondering how we would prioritize the beliefs of the church if we were asked by a reporter.
I remember the reporting following the tragic shooting at LCG by Terry Ratzmann. The news team was interviewing people outside to find out the basic facts, both about the situation, and about the group. When asked about their beliefs, one woman said, "We believe in keeping the sabbath."
That got me to thinking at the time about the beliefs that I had been raised in. If I had to pick just one representative religious belief as an Armstrongite to tell a news reporter that I held, what would it be? And what would that answer say about me?
What do Armstrongites believe, in order of priority? I think Armstrongite's beliefs are prioritized very tribally, according to what differentiates them from others. What is interesting about this is how these priorities differ from what arguably should have a high priority.
Ask any Armstrongite, especially a minister, to list his beliefs in order of priority, and I guarantee you, you'll get sabbaths, holy days, tithing, clean and unclean meats, prayer and bible study. All physical rituals intended to symbolically communicate to god what an eager suck-up you are.
Not in the Top Ten? Becoming christlike, overcoming, looking out for "the least.""Oh," they might say, "that goes without saying." Sure it does. It also goes without anything else. These aren't Armstrongite values. If you corner them, they'll pay lipservice to them, but that's about the beginning and the end of an Armstrongite's thoughts about these things. And not without good reason, since these things were not on ol' Herbert's list of priorities at all. But probably the vast majority of his followers are better folks than he was. Still, as a normal, decent human being, you only have a limited amount of time, energy, and attention, and the things at the top of your list of priorites will crowd out all the things further down.
One thing Armstrongite doctrines arguably do not do is curry favor with the deities. Even if the god of the bible did exist, there's biblical reasons, as well as common sense ones, suggesting that his priorities would be very different from Armstrongite priorities anyway. If these rituals aren't appeasing any deities, then they aren't doing the members any good, and they certainly don't do anyone else who isn't a member any good. There's only one set of people who derive any tangible benefit from these doctrines.
Yes, that's right, the "trunk" of the Armstrongite "tree" is a set empty rituals that don't do anyone who isn't a minister any good. These rituals have long served to reinforce tribal allegiances while keeping the cash flowing into church coffers. So the COG twigs have not fallen far from the "trunk" in this regard. The doctrines are the business model.
Guys like Vic Kubik, who are eager to keep their pension's nest feathered, are desperately trying to solve the problem of how to get more people to feed cash into their system. Maybe if they had a church that had a more practical set of doctrines as the "trunk" of its "tree," they would be able to succeed at this. However, we know they're between a rock and hard place in that respect. And that's what keeps the twigs so close. That proximity is also what ensures they'll keep withering.
I was raised to believe in "keeping the sabbath." And I did keep it back then. But when I thought about it, if I had to say I believed something, keeping the sabbath, or any other ritual that I performed for the sole reason of trying to appease a deity, well, it just wouldn't be on any sincere list.
The Philadelphia Church of God posted an article that tells loyal followers of Gerald Flurry what a privileged life students lead at their little "college" in England. Its a rather pathetic exposé of a church cult that demonstrates how spiritually bankrupt they really are.
This is how the morning starts out for one of the guys at Edstone mansion:
Up at 5 a.m. Down two flights of stairs to the fitness center for a 20-minute workout. Up two flights to the men’s dorm to shower. Down a flight to the kitchen for freshly ground and brewed Ethiopian roast. TheTrumpet.com for morning headlines over sips of coffee. Malachi’s Message for Bible study, followed by prayer. Fifteen minutes to get ready: just enough time to meet the other students in the cafeteria for a quick breakfast. Then it’s 8 a.m., and the day really begins.
Welcome to a day in the life of a student at Herbert W. Armstrong College–Edstone.Notice what the focus is? A plagiarized book, news headlines for the PCG indoctrination page instead of London and European papers, and the exquisite life of a privilege white kid.
Then its down the hall to "college" classes. PCG's interpretation of HWA's interpretation of prophecy. The focus upon comparing Gerald and Stephen Flurry to Jeremiah. Since Stephen is the only legitimate heir to the Flurry empire and his fathers rapidly becoming mental state, it is important to demonstrate that the Bible tells of the coming Stephen's amazing work. Given that there is no comparison whatsoever between these two and Jeremiah; its nothing more than indoctrination class.
This particular day is Wednesday. Armed with Tuesday night’s preparations, Hochstetler is ready for the first class of the day, Bible Prophecy. Fellow senior Samuel Livingston plays the lecture, which was recorded by instructor Wik Heerma two days prior at the college’s home campus in Edmond, Oklahoma. Mr. Heerma opened the second semester of the course with a comparison between the commission and work of the Prophet Jeremiah and that of the Philadelphia Church of God in the 21st century.
Then its down the hall to another classroom and a live instruction of God's prophet Stephen Flurry on PCG doctrine.
The next class is Doctrines of the Philadelphia Church of God, taught by Armstrong College President Stephen Flurry.
Then its around the corner to another room for a "live" video presentation from Jerusalem by a PCG student and working on the dig PCG has in Israel. A student that is presently digging. No archeology degree, no advanced studies, no work in other projects around the world, nothing other the a couple summers worth of work.
Then there is the glamorous information about hard working Brad McDonald. Students are privilege to see him walking around in his wells looking at his sheep.
On the other side of the property, from the mail department window, volunteer mail packers see UK-Europe Regional Director Brad Macdonald walking out to check on the landscapers’ work. Wearing his “wellies” he walks off the pavement of the circular drive and between the newly planted rows of yew hedging. He looks over his shoulder, past the circular flowerbed and the Union Jack flagpole, to wave as Mrs. Amy Flurry beeps her car horn and drives out the gate to do errands in Stratford, about seven miles down Birmingham Road. Mr. Macdonald continues on to check how Hochstetler and the other workers are progressing on their current project: moving a shed.What a humble righteous man.
Then its a shining example of how the PCG dumbs down its women and relegates them to the kitchen. Men are sooooo much more intelligent and godly than the those with "ladies recipes."
While the male students are developing public-speaking skills, the female students attend Meal Management class. Wednesdays are lab days, so Hochstetler and the guys stop by after Homiletics to taste-test the ladies’ recipes, which vary from naturally sweetened chocolate cake to curry-spiced amaranth and millet dishes. Hochstetler, who admits he has a sweet tooth, says his favorite dish has been the brandy snap baskets filled with whipped cream.Not once is Jesus ever mentioned in the daily journey of a PCG student. Just like it's magazines, sermons, videos and publications. Jesus is nowhere to be found.
You can read this yourself here: Day in the Life: An Edstone Student
As income declines in the PCG and members are forced to send in more and more money as they mortgage homes, businesses and cash in retirement accounts, the church is dropping over a million dollars on a new facility so that the grandkids of Gerald Flurry and practice their Irish Dance and the Malones can have new offices.
EDMOND—The reverberations of percussion instruments can be heard on the campus of Herbert W. Armstrong College this week as metal erectors and other tradesmen finish constructing the exterior shell of the campus’s new music and dance building. The noises of drills, grinders, punches, cutting torches, arc welders and impact wrenches are sounding across campus as workers dry-in the structure in preparation for its next phases of construction.
Facilities manager Roger Brandon said that with the majority of the structural red iron and the exterior sheet metal in place, the focus of the project is the roof.
“Once that’s in place, then we can turn loose the interior trades,” he said. This process will include dozens of light-gauge metal framers, plumbers, electricians, flooring installers, heating and air conditioning mechanics, cabinetmakers, painters and other contractors building out 10,170 square feet across 17 rooms on the one-story, $1.15 million structure.
Mr. Brandon said the building will include three large spaces, including a lecture room for approximately 150 occupants that contains tiered seating and a raised stage. The space will be built to accommodate music classes, forums and assemblies, youth camp orientation and similar activities. An orchestra room will allow for music students to leave their larger instruments set up permanently, will contain a humidity-controlled instrument storage room, and will offer nearby access to two other rehearsal rooms plus the lecture room. A dance studio with a sprung floor similar to the one installed in the Barbara Flurry Memorial Hall will accommodate dancers with ballet bars, mirrors and built-in cabinets for costumes and other storage.Turgeon dares to compare the cult compound school to those on the outside. Of course money will flow in to minion the dance studio for the Flurry grand kids and to provide a n office for Malone.
Mr. Turgeon said the building will benefit grade school and college music students as well as adults and is a priority because “we have a strong emphasis in the Church on music and dance when such programs are being cut from many public schools, mostly due to lack of funding but also lack of appreciation for culture.” He said that it will also open up space at the memorial hall for possible additional classroom or student residential space.
music director Ryan Malone, who will office in the new building, said it is important because it devotes more dedicated space to music classes and also consolidates the department’s activities so that instructors and students don’t have to meet in separate buildings. He said the result will be more flexible rehearsal schedules, less wear and tear on instruments, and a more efficient use of class time.This is code for the higher brass of PCG keeping the unwashed masses from using the Armstrong auditorium stage and dressing rooms. Just like Pasadena, church members were not allowed dot use the facility other than to be begrudgingly let in on Friday nights and Saturdays.
Mr. Malone says the building’s name is the Dwight Armstrong Performing Arts Conservatory. Mr. Turgeon says the goal is to complete construction by mid-August if possible, in time for the academic school year. At that point, when the noises of construction fall silent, dance music, winds, strings and percussion instruments of a different kind will begin to play.
See: Construction on Performing Arts Building Continues
Bob Elijah Elisha Amos Thiel is still struggling financially and it seems to be a mystery to him as to why. Why won't other COG members realize he is God's doubly blessed and self appointed apostle and prophet? Why won't they send him their money?
Because of his outright arrogance and self-righteous attitude of superiority people are immediately turned off by him. By repelling peoples so quickly its a huge hit on his wallet. Amos Thiel sets out to rectify that in the usual manner that Church of God leaders have always resorted to. Blame the sinful backsliding members.
Many have had their love grow cold and will not properly support the work needed to fulfill Matthew 24:14. Philadelphia Christians need to persevere.Amos Thiel trots out the incredibly boring booklet that Armstrong wrote decades ago, the Seven Laws of Success. Amos Thiel claims that Church of God members fails miserably at Law #6...Perseverance.
Everyone that is in the Church of God have become lawless and their love has waxed cold. They are too weak to endure to the end. Because they have not endured they will no longer tithe and send in money.
Consider also Jesus’ words:
12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:12-14)
The end is apparently coming quicker to Amos Thiel's empire than he expected. It's not his fault though. Its the COG brethren who are at a fault. The blame game is what has kept the COG running for so many decades.
Justified lying is a trick that Jehovah's Witnesses employ when they feel that non believers do not deserve the truth. Has the Living Church of God sunk this low that they have to lie in order to get their message of "good news" across? In LCG's eyes World Vision is not Christian, just as Bob Elijah Elisha Amos believes. Since they are not "real" Christians like LCG, was it ok to lie to them?
April 15, 2016
(Regarding LCOG "hiding" behind World Vision for their seminar [see March 28 & March 29 letters]), I sent the president of World Vision a detailed email of concern with quotes from Roderick Meredith, and some of his denials of the Christian faith. I have not heard [back] from him. At least I gave David Cerullo CEO of INSP Networks some credit. He had Tomorrow's World cancelled from his network in 2007. I sent him and John Roos, Senior Vice President Marketing, a five page letter showing Roderick Meredith's ties to Herbert W. Armstrong, his smear on Christianity, and many of his unbiblical-unorthodox teachings. The LCOG tried to persuade him that they no longer really have any ties to Armstrong, and abandoned many of his teachings. Of course, that is not what his "Official Statement Of Fundamental Beliefs" states. Mr. Cerullo also had The Church of God International's program "Armor of God"" cancelled as well. So did "World Harvest Television"
Many other Armstrong offshoots have been cancelled from Christian radio/TV as well. These stations include Salem (even though they are airing Ron Dart again on their OnePlace.Com), Wilkins. Wilkins lost $150,000.00 cancelling Dart, American Family Radio, Former Trevecca Nazarene University's WENO, and a host of others. I have been warning Christians, and Christian radio and TV concerning Armstrong, The Way International (that's another story) and others.
It's very clear that Dr. Roderick C. Meredith still considers Herbert W. Armstrong a great Bible teacher, and continues to teach and believe in many of his doctrines. Dr. Meredith's official statement of fundamental beliefs states "Our doctrines, practices, policies, and traditions have their roots in the Worldwide Church of God under the leadership of Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong" (P.1.) My email to Mr. John Roos, beyond any question of doubt shows the Living Church of God/Tomorrow's World teachings are contrary to that taught in the Word of God. Their doctrines are wrong on salvation, the person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ, their denial of the Trinity, the physical resurrection, Hell, and many other Christian teachings. --Anonymous
The day may be fast approaching when a Church of God turns into a death trap. Delusional men like Dave Pack, Bod Thiel and Gerald Flurry are bordering on this same mentality.